cut above waterfall, also when coming from standish and going down I forget what the run is called "the virgins" or somehting when you get to the bottom instead of turning skiers right to go to the base shoot directly into the trees and then try and find it. honestly if it takes you more then two runs to find a way to the cliffs your an idiot. you can even hike up from the lodge on the right hand side of the cliffs.