Clayton Vila: Film Segments vs. Competitions

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I checked and I don't believe this is a repost.

http://www.powdermag.com/first-chair/op-ed-film-segments-vs-competitions/

Ed’s Note: Clayton Vila, a K2-sponsored skier, recently released “The Creep”, an all-encompassing video part of his footage from Teton Gravity Research, Poor Boyz Productions, and Stept Productions.[/i]

Words: Clayton Vila[/b]

My sport, as I know it, is called freestyle skiing. According to the Oxford American College Dictionary, “free” is defined as “not under the control or power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.” The second part of the adjective is “style”—defined as “a manner of doing something.” Combing the definition within the context of “freestyle skiing” is: “a manner of skiing in which one is not under the control of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.”

I am not a writer. I am a skier. However, the reason I am writing this is to explain to people why I do what I do—I make video segments. However, my issue is that the average professional skier and typical up-and-comer are not focused on creating movie segments. They’re focused on competing, and I believe this is limiting the progression of our sport.

For competition skiers, the definition of freestyle skiing doesn’t apply. One enters a competition to win. To win, a skier has to satisfy a panel of judges. To satisfy a judge, a skier has to do exactly what they want to see to obtain a higher score than the others. What the judge’s scorebook considers to be as close to “perfection” as possible. But how do you define perfection in freestyle skiing? There is no perfection, so the circuit has to pay somebody to define perfection that day.

Competition skiing and making video segments have reached a fork in the road. They have branched off so drastically that each has become a separate discipline and sport all together. This a serious problem. I believe that every skier, competitor or not, should be at least somewhat focused on making video segments to show how they really wish to ski.

I admire skateboarding for their professionals’ focus on making segments. If you look at the skater list for the 2012 Street League, you will find that all 24, with the exception of Chaz Ortiz and Nyjah Huston, established their career by creating a great video segment. More importantly, all 24 of them still dedicate a majority of their efforts to making segments. It is no mystery why their sport has progressed in so many directions.

It’s a huge, highly respected accomplishment to win an event such as Street League, but your video segment is what defines you as a skateboarder, to the involved viewers and from professional to professional. There are hundreds of professional skateboarders who only make video segments, and are, or have been, monumental influences to skateboarding without competition. Now, take a look at the Winter X Games ski slopestyle invite list. You will find that only two out of the 10 dedicate any portion of their career today to creating a segment in an uncontrolled environment. In halfpipe, zero out of 16. And no, a few dub 10s in a park segment doesn’t count as a segment.

Competition skiing is sick, but as a result of the mass of skiers trying to impress the same judges following the same scorebook, everyone is going to ski in the same manner if they want to win. This is turning a sport that used to be about freedom of expression into a sport of robotic calculation. Competition skiing is getting more and more stale every year. It’s often difficult to distinguish one skier from the other these days.

“That is a huge reason why I don’t compete,” says Level 1 film skier Parker White. “My style of skiing doesn’t fit into that mold that X and Dew have created. Not only do I not fit, I also don’t agree that the style of skiing that has become so popularly commended is necessarily better.

“When Henrik [Harlaut] didn’t win Winter X Games Big Air with his never-been-done before [single corked] rodeo 1440 blunt… It’s far easier for judges to justify their scoring mathematically, which is why style and creativity becomes so unimportant in competition. In a segment, success relies almost solely on style and creativity,” White says.

Ski movie segments have always been such a powerful inspiration to our sport. In order for a segment to be successful, it needs to be something that people have never seen before. Sometimes, one trick can be enough to make a segment valuable. Often, someone will do tricks that they could never land again. The point is the athlete needs to make change somehow for it to be notable. Whether it is through new tricks, new locations, new style—a great segment must progress the sport. This is why segments provide a superior level of progression. Furthermore, the segment’s release is not the only time it has an impact on our sport. To a skier, they are timeless.

“When I was working at a Salomon Jib Academy, I was asking the kids trivia questions for product,” says Nick Martini. “When I asked, ‘Who won X Games Slope in 2003?’ there was no response. Then I asked, ‘Who had the opener in [Poor Boyz Productions’ 2003 film] Session 1242[/i]?” and everyone raised their hand, saying ‘Tanner Hall!’”

Ten years later, I still watch that segment, and skiers still do variations of five bunts just like Tanner. When a revolutionary segment is created, it sends the industry into a hundred directions, and these directions maintain for years, even decades.

I’m not telling competitors to stop competing. I’m asking them to refocus their efforts. There’s so much badass shit happening in the film side of our sport. The more people who are trying to make a great segment, the more the companies will support ski movies, and the more styles of having fun on skis will be discovered.

To all you kids trying to make a name for yourselves right now, don’t feel like being the number one competition guy is the only way to do it. To the professional athletes in our sport: Let’s stop focusing the majority of our efforts to just one of the thousands of ways to use your skis. Creating film segments has no limits. Let’s assure that our sport’s future is endless. Grab your cameras, and go ski however the f*ck you want.

 
This is why Clayton is one of my favorite skiers. Not only is the man the epitome of the message he's trying to convey, but is also an expert on how skiing should be done. A segment shows the great lengths a skier will go to just to impress the masses and make themselves a chair lift name (variation on household name if you didn't get that). I will always be a huge supporter of what the Stept guys do simply because of how they treat skiing. Stupendous article, Clayton.
 
I get his point. There's more than just comp skiing and doing the same

tricks over and over, but the last line stuck with me... "Grab your cameras and go ski however the fuck you want."

What if dudes like Brown, Goepper, et all (who i'm assuming this is sort of geared towards) simply like to ski in the park and do the hardest tricks they can in that environment? Hell, Bobby DID grab his (read Mike Clarke's) camera, skied how he wanted (competition style) and still put out a really sick edit (Solar System). That being said, I'd sure as hell rather watch Vila and the Stept crew do wild ass shit in the streets... but maybe it's just as simple as these comp dudes are doing what the fuck they want.
 
Well yeah, it's not like the comp guys AREN'T doing what they want. They wouldn't be competing if they didn't love it.
 
I agree with Clayton in the aspect that it's the segments and movies that change skiing. For me, competitions have done squat for influencing my skiing/product purchases. I don't go out and buy Salomons because Bobby won X-Games Big Air, but rather I buy Lines because Will and Andy's webisodes made me drop my jaw in amazement. The same goes for skiing in general. I don't want to go out and shred pipe like Torin, but rather I want to slay a ghetto handrail or wall-tranny like the Stept crew.

I feel like Vila said everything that has been subconsciously on my mind about the sport since Traveling Circus debuted (which easily changed my world of skiing).

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The more people who are trying to make a great segment, the more the companies will support ski movies, and the more styles of having fun on skis will be discovered.

I don't think he is trying to say that they aren't doing what they want. I think he is saying that they owe it to the future progression of the sport to make sure experimenting on skis while making films continues to be funded by the rest of the industry.
 
i agree with clayton but stop hating on competitions...competitions are the best and necessary for progressski is competition,movies etc...everything is legit

is just his opinion
 
Stept is such a needed breath of fresh air for skiing. Underdog, underground, leaving the comps behind and doing creative shit in the streets.
 
i agree with some of it except lots of that bashing on x games riders that film is false. On the slopestyle list, pk has filmed sick parts with field before, tom obviously, hatveit killed for pbp and skifilm, joss got his start with rage. We know sammy will be there, he spends tons of time filming. Jossi as well in winter of wells and 44 days.

Same with pipe, Tanner and Simon. Duncan adams, Riddle and Dorey used to film with level 1.

I hate how everytime a film skier rants about comps they make it seem like its IMPOSSIBLE to do both by using goofy-ass statistics.
 
I also dont really agree with this "they owe it to the future progression of the sport", like come on. Bobby, Nick the big comp guys don't "owe a film segment" to anyone. They get paid to do what they love to do and if competing allows them to live that lifestyle then so be it, to each his own.
 
a lot of really good points in here but this is probably the best. winning comps is sick and makes you feel good but it is definitely not the only way to get a sponsors attention.
 
definitely not the only way but I feel like it's much easier to get under the radar if you are winning comps rather than making a segment, just my opinion
 
it is because of what clayton says. if people keep on that same program it only perpetuates itself further. if all the kids that have talent are only doing comps its going to make companies only look at competition results for new team members. but if more people start pushing the video segment sponsor style and are able to show how they can be effective in promoting a product through their media then companies wont be able to deny them.

think about it this way. wallisch dominated the slopestyle competition season last year. but that isnt what brought him to the level of fame and respect amongst skiers and sponsors. it was his super unknown part and the web edits he was putting out. if more people start to follow that program it will become the accepted and most approved way to get recognized.

the consumers dictate where sponsors are going to spend their money. if everyone starts buying products from video part skiers people will take notice and start putting more money into that side of skiing. all it takes is a shift in the perception of whats sick or cool by the consumers.
 
Meh, full park and urban segments are boring, that's the problem. Comp is fun to watch for pipe/park/jib, then spring park sessions for those guys. The interesting film segments are big mountain/back country (REAL skiers REAL mountains etc).
 
Bravo Clayton, what you said is perfect. I think some skiers really do love doing contests though, which is fine. I used to compete alot (started with racing, on to moguls) and I had a ton of fun doing that. Something about competing was fun and I guarantee a lot guys in dew/xgames are having fun too.

But a lot of them need to take a page of of the book of tom. Yeah, tom isn't the ordinary skier, but plenty of the top comp skier could do similar things. As clayton said, comparing this years lists to last years movies, you don't see many names popping up in both (like he said, a couple random shots from a park shoot =/= segment). Tom manages to make go to every contest AND make an amazing film segment. People might say "oh thats because hes tom wallisch" and how would we know if this is true? When no one else is even trying to make a segment, how will we ever know if they could be like wallisch? Tom and Henrik both do it, why can't bobby? why can't russ? why can't goepper? why can't gus? They might not be as good at urban as tom/henrik but shit they could at least try. I guarantee some of these big athletes are too scared of getting broke off, which is understandable, especially with the big O coming up.

Either way, we need more toms and henriks. I don't know if they aren't filming with companys because of schedules, because of relationships, fuck i dunno. Why isnt anyone filming andreas or gus hitting rails? we all know they are completely capable of hitting them, why arent they shooting with anyone? this is the main key, for every big comp skier. they are capable, why isnt it happening? every big comp skier used to be in all the big movies, why not now?

Watching big air tonight, in conjunction with this article was a little bit of a wake up call. I spent an hr watching 20ish mins of skiing of mostly hucked dub corks and a few okay tricks and two or three really sick tricks. I couldve watched an hr long ski movie, with way more skiing and way more interesting tricks and would have been way more stoked on it. I hope some big names see this and get their shit together, think about all of the content that could be created? There definitely isn't a lack of filmers out there ;-)
 
I don't think competing is something that inevitably ruins freedom and progression. Rather, it's the format of competitions that we need to fix. Right now progression is one of the criteria that AFP-judges consider when scoring runs. If they pay attention to it enough, I don't know, but anyway modern overall-based scoring system is far from the standards of gymnastics or figure skating. There are plenty of examples of progressive riding resulted in comp success recently.
 
i see nothing wrong with competing, i think that it is a cool thing to do, there are some skiers that choose to do competitions like tanner hall and simon dumont, because it is their choice to do.
 
If i am not mistaken, Gus had a banger urban part in pretty good.. But then again that was years ago now
 
Not all contests are equal. Yes, X-Games and Dew Tour are poorly judged, and competitors are simply trying to fit a mold, but not every contest has this problem.Even though it's unfortunately discontinued this year, in the past I have awaited Red Bull Cold Rush footage and results far more than film segments.

And speaking of contests, Stept's S.K.A.T.E. qualifies.

I prefer filming over competition, but both have their place. And given the overall frustration with the competition scene, judging formats might soon change.
 
even though PK and Andreas have both had very ahead of their time segments...

and in pipe, dorey and dumont have both had segmens where they're not even in the pipe with lots of backcountry (and urban in dumont's case)
 
yeah but games still have rules, no? which is Clayton's point. that rules, of any kind, stifle creativity and individuality, which is the whole point of "free"skiing
 
yeah but the rules are do whatever trick you want, just call it which isn't stifling creativity at all. his point is that skiing how someone else (the judges) wants you to ski is what's hurting skiing, not necessarily comps. stept's skate is each skier doing whatever they want and pushing the other rider to do it to. if anything it's making all the riders involved more creative and aware of different possibilities
 
Its funny how wrong Clayton's stats on comp skiers filming segments is. What is wrong with doing both clayton? and Why do you make it seem like its one or the other? Dew Tour is fun to watch , and there is really nothing wrong with it. Clayton has every right to encourage people to film segments to express themselves, but absolutely NO right to hate on comp skiers who are just trying to make a living doing what they love.
 
i was thinking more along the lines that they are trying to do things that they don't think other guys will be able to, which might influence their decision on what tricks to do, but i like what your interpretation better. hadn't thought of it that way.
 
To each their own. A lot of comp-oriented skiers film a ton, they just don't like doing sketchy shit in the "streets" as much as Clayton does. Clayton is a perfect example of a skier who can get sponsorhsip, exposure, and acclaim all throughout the ski world without competing at all; so in a sense his own ski career path refutes the points that he is making. I also disagree with the points he makes about skatebaording. Skateboarders have way more time throughout the year to film because skateboarding is not contingent on the weather in the way that skiing is.
 
I am not going to post in newschoolers more than once.

This is to everyone as well. If you read the article, the point there is nothing wrong with doing both. That's why I wrote this. That's why I offer the example that all skateboarders in Street League do both. To each there own, I never once say that competition should not exist, or hate on them for doing it. In fact, it should always exist, just like skateboarding or any other action sport. However, I wish that those who love to compete would also be as motivated to make segments as those who compete in skateboarding are. Nothing about competition is limiting the progression of our sport. Competition will always progress the sport, obviously... but only in one direction. What I think is limiting the progression of our sport is the lack of effort a lot of the professionals are putting towards making segments. I don't care if it's street, pow, park, or something else. Yes, there are many exceptions... Tom, Sammy, etc... if they can do it, everyone can.

Please read the article before you express an opinion.
 
For the record in response to competitions being "stale" lets break down Dew tour big air last night in Breck:

All three skiers who podiumed spun a different amount of rotations and all three skiers who podiumed took off the jump in a different way. They all grabbed differently as well......maybe we are on the right track? Just interesting to point that out.
 
Yeah, don't progress based on judges. Progress based on what you want. Thats why I love watching skiers like you and parker, because you guys don't give a shit about judges. What was the biggest spin in your 86 segment? Oh wait, that doesn't matter, and it shouldn't. What was the biggest spin at Dew last night? That mattered. I don't hate competition, but it really does have a spin to win mindset. You couldn't have an X-games based on who greased the burliest rail, or who threw down the best in the backcountry, it just doesn't work
 
I absolutely agree with what Clayton is saying. He's not saying that there should be an end to comps, but rather there should be a more balanced approach to freeskiing. The only thing I disagree with in the article is his comparison of skiing to skateboarding. Yes, most skateboarders compete and film, but they have twelve months a year to put out a good seggment and compete. Furthermore, skaters aren't traveling to Europe and soon Russia to compete and filming from Japan to Alaska to Europe. I think it is unfair to compare skating and skiing in this case. Skaters simply have more time to put in the work for a solid segment and good comp results.
 
i think part of the problem has been film companies have not kept up with the growth of the sport. big competitions are now year round and all over the world, allowing way more people to get their foot in the door on that side of the sport. but, there is a similar number of film companies as there was 5 years ago, leaving a smaller percentage of "pro skiers" to be able to film. also, unlike in the past when everyone filmed, there are far more competitions, so traveling the whole season to compete limits the amount of film opportunities one can go to, add in another factor like school or a family and it makes it that much harder. im not saying it's impossible by any means, but i can see why the film side seems to be more neglected.
 
i was actually talking to someone about this the other day. it's not that film companies aren't trying to break out, its just that they can't seem to find the necessary support from the industry to stay afloat. Look at 4bi9, Voleurz, Dendrite, TSP, etc. They all made such quality offerings to the ski movie buffet every year, but because of a lack of support in the form of major sponsorships they couldn't make producing a full length movie economically feasible. It's a vicious circle man. What are the new production companies that have remained competitive producing full length movies in like the past 5 years? Stept and Sherpas? New companies are breaking out, but the industry needs to shift more of their focus towards recognizing new talent and supporting the filmers and skiers that are trying to break out and keep the ski movie industry thriving.
 
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