Censoring history

topic:THEE_wizard said:
This is some stuff happening at my school. We are going to do a walkout tomorrow for this cause and I'm pretty impressed with the students actions. What are your thoughts?

http://www.9news.com/story/news/edu...fco-curriculum-committee-us-history/15853797/
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Just to be clear, you're doing a walk out in support of the history teacher and against the proposed curriculum change?

If so, good on you. Everyone needs to be taught the hard stuff of this countries history as well as the good. This whole common core thing is ruining our already terrible education system.
 
13142573:JAHpow said:
Just to be clear, you're doing a walk out in support of the history teacher and against the proposed curriculum change?

If so, good on you. Everyone needs to be taught the hard stuff of this countries history as well as the good. This whole common core thing is ruining our already terrible education system.
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Yes, well put. Thank you.
 
fuckin ridiculous, you cant censor history to make it fir your own propaganda, it is what it is
 
"The second part of the proposal reads in part, "Materials should promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights. Materials should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law."

"I don't think we should encourage kids to be little rebels," Williams said. "We should encourage kids to be good citizens."

Fuck that shit. History is already plenty slanted. History should be about history, not the way we want to remember something, or the way that makes us sound better, history is fucking history. Anything else needs to get the fuck out.

""I want to bring history back to be taught accurately without opinion," Williams said."

That sounds good but after the first part I fucking doubt it.

History shouldn't promote anything. History should be an ACCURATE representation of events, people, places in the past. That's all. No bullshit, no bias. Obviously it will never be 100% accurate. We don't have a time machine to go back and look at events from all angles. There's a lot we don't know but we use all we have to go on. Also it's exciting because their are new things to be discovered.

"Materials should promote..." makes me wanna slap a bitch.

TEACH MOTHERFUCKING HISTORY PLEASE!!! It's ridiculously important. How can we learn from the past if we don't even learn about it properly?

History is awesome

YOLO
 
Haha. Trojan horse for turning history into pc herstory and shovel horseshit about how joseph stalin was not a bad person.

Either way every history teacher in a public school is probably biased as fuck already because they work for the penis fondling government
 
13142662:lIllI said:
History is written by the victors.
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that may be true, but to alter it so you only hear about good stuff that makes you a better person, your not really learning anything about history
 
13142678:SFB said:
that may be true, but to alter it so you only hear about good stuff that makes you a better person, your not really learning anything about history
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*assuming that the good stuff is true to begin with
 
I can't believe changing your curriculum was even suggested. People can be so fucking stupid. Does your school even have a problem with too many kids being "rebellious"? Even if the school board has good intensions, you can't start censoring history without leading to even bigger problems.
 
"Instructional materials should present positive aspects of the United States and its heritage"

There's a lot of positive shit but there's a lot of negative shit. To sugar coat everything and make history all nice and fuzzy is disgusting. We need to understand history so we can learn from it. With some of the stuff going on these days it seems we don't have a solid grasp on that.

I wish there was a channel on TV called "learning history" or something like that. The history channel died a long time ago. Would be nice to have something educational, shows some good docs, explore different events in history.

That would probably be considered "boring though" and then get switched over to reality tv shows about people collecting squirrel nuts or some family digging a hole in their backyard to try and reach satan.

FML

Thank god there's some good stuff on netflix.
 
History courses in college are a huge eye opener. I learned 10000x more than High School. The professors aren't afraid of the truth. Also, less sugar coating .
 
Has anyone else noticed that lack of the term "American Revolution"?

All I see is "America's fight for Freedom" or "Independence". I never really see the term revolution anymore.
 
13143152:AT-AT said:
Has anyone else noticed that lack of the term "American Revolution"?

All I see is "America's fight for Freedom" or "Independence". I never really see the term revolution anymore.
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never noticed it til now but yeah, that's interesting ...on the same note, HS history classes seemed to have glossed over the civil, korean, and vietnam wars...focusing almost entirely on ww1 and 2 where 'merica was kickin foreign ass
 
""Materials should promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights. Materials should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law."

"I don't think we should encourage kids to be little rebels," Williams said. "We should encourage kids to be good citizens.""

Oh look, soft fascism.
 
So let me get this straight, the government is arming the police with militarily grade equipment, tracking everything we do and say(NSA), and is now trying to censor history....

The only thing that is going to be different if we keep follow this path is it will be Uncle Sam looking over us instead of big brother
 
Also this is fucked up. The fact that there's someone in a position of authority who thinks this kind of Orwellian garbage is perfectly sensible should frighten everyone in the area. Someone needs to send a message and ensure she is removed ASAP. This is so much worse than 90% of the BS that ruins peoples' public service careers, which substantially don't amount to much actual harm to the public (scandals and inappropriate statements, that kind of stuff).

The kind of attitude this Williams person is extolling is downright dangerous.
 
To be fair, the teacher themselves might have a bit of a bias when it comes to teaching, but if they want to present the information in all its entirety as it happened, I am all for it. No need to sugarcoat and manipulate the information to "promote" something. like abortionator said, history isn't used to promote shit at all. just more public school bullshit forcing kids to learn things they don't want to, which leads to a huge disinterest in learning.
 
also dress code protests are fucking dumb compared to this. Every single kid that walked out today in Utah is an idiot OP's article are real issues that happen in every school, but we care more about what shit i wanna wear.

people suck.
 
"I don't think we should encourage kids to be little rebels," Williams said. "We should encourage kids to be good citizens."

aka don't stand up for what you believe in.
 
This shit is one step removed from book burning.

I don't get why so many people in this country (and generally the world) associate 'patriotism' to sucking the dick of authority... Fuck that. Kick doors down. Burn the propaganda. A little anarchy only helps - and usually highlights the tyranny and complacence that shouldn't be tolerated in society..

Anyone ever seen the bumper stickers "Well-behaved women seldom make history"? Same goes for everyone.
 
13143282:DingoSean said:
This shit is one step removed from book burning.

I don't get why so many people in this country (and generally the world) associate 'patriotism' to sucking the dick of authority... Fuck that. Kick doors down. Burn the propaganda. A little anarchy only helps - and usually highlights the tyranny and complacence that shouldn't be tolerated in society..

Anyone ever seen the bumper stickers "Well-behaved women seldom make history"? Same goes for everyone.
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For a historically terrorist nation, America has some surprisingly pro-authority citizens.

"Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy; it is absolutely essential to it." - Howard Zinn
 
These people did the same thing in Douglas County, and that school system is fucked. Idk why we chose to elect these scumbags here, but rumor has it that they also want to have all science classes teach creationism as well.
 
13143330:loganschnur said:
These people did the same thing in Douglas County, and that school system is fucked. Idk why we chose to elect these scumbags here, but rumor has it that they also want to have all science classes teach creationism as well.
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Colorado's a weird ass state... too close to Texas as far as I'm concerned.
 
13142622:theabortionator said:
"The second part of the proposal reads in part, "Materials should promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights. Materials should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law."

"I don't think we should encourage kids to be little rebels," Williams said. "We should encourage kids to be good citizens."

Fuck that shit. History is already plenty slanted. History should be about history, not the way we want to remember something, or the way that makes us sound better, history is fucking history. Anything else needs to get the fuck out.

""I want to bring history back to be taught accurately without opinion," Williams said."

That sounds good but after the first part I fucking doubt it.

History shouldn't promote anything. History should be an ACCURATE representation of events, people, places in the past. That's all. No bullshit, no bias. Obviously it will never be 100% accurate. We don't have a time machine to go back and look at events from all angles. There's a lot we don't know but we use all we have to go on. Also it's exciting because their are new things to be discovered.

"Materials should promote..." makes me wanna slap a bitch.

TEACH MOTHERFUCKING HISTORY PLEASE!!! It's ridiculously important. How can we learn from the past if we don't even learn about it properly?

History is awesome

YOLO
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I usually shitpost to piss you off but I agree 100%. Lets not turn the American educational system into the hitler youth.
 
13143282:DingoSean said:
This shit is one step removed from book burning.

I don't get why so many people in this country (and generally the world) associate 'patriotism' to sucking the dick of authority... Fuck that. Kick doors down. Burn the propaganda. A little anarchy only helps - and usually highlights the tyranny and complacence that shouldn't be tolerated in society..
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it is how our country was founded
 
By the way, it's the exact same people doing this that are pushing creationism and climate science denialism.
 
13143566:Bill.Nye said:
By the way, it's the exact same people doing this that are pushing creationism and climate science denialism.
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They want to institute creationism in science classes
 
13143163:momsspaghetti said:
never noticed it til now but yeah, that's interesting ...on the same note, HS history classes seemed to have glossed over the civil, korean, and vietnam wars...focusing almost entirely on ww1 and 2 where 'merica was kickin foreign ass
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For sure. I think this might be why I'm not a big fan of those wars in terms of researching stuff. Also it set the bar for our modern era of wars around the globe. You never here shit about the civil war these days. That's my favorite one to look at. Ken Burns did a great job covering that if you want to kill 12 hours and watch a good doc. I like how we won the vietnam war allegedly etc. Idk. IT's fucking history if something grinds at you, learn from it and make a better future. Instead we twist and sugar coat things so everything sounds good.

13143282:DingoSean said:
This shit is one step removed from book burning.

I don't get why so many people in this country (and generally the world) associate 'patriotism' to sucking the dick of authority... Fuck that. Kick doors down. Burn the propaganda. A little anarchy only helps - and usually highlights the tyranny and complacence that shouldn't be tolerated in society..

Anyone ever seen the bumper stickers "Well-behaved women seldom make history"? Same goes for everyone.
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That's the idea that's pushed. You can push an idea, stupid people suck it up and then regurgitate it. Like you have to support everything our country/military does to be a "good American". Shit like that. The fact that we believe it and and push that attitude give me little hope for the future. Then ignorant people get angry and yell about it "Herp derp you don't support America then you can g-g-gitttttt outttt".

Also to your post "They don't gotta burn a book they just remove it".
 
Wow, now I just realized that my AP U.S. History teacher is the complete opposite of what's portrayed. Nothing is really sugar-coated in my class, and by that I consider myself lucky.

There's absolutely nothing that needs to be sugar-coated about history, then history is being turned into propaganda that portrays how the US is better than anybody else, instead of what actually happened.
 
13143360:DingoSean said:
Colorado's a weird ass state... too close to Texas as far as I'm concerned.
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Definitely the worst part about colorado. I can always smell the texans when they come for winter break. they smell of chewing tobacco and date rape
 
13143915:Brule. said:
Wow, now I just realized that my AP U.S. History teacher is the complete opposite of what's portrayed. Nothing is really sugar-coated in my class, and by that I consider myself lucky.

There's absolutely nothing that needs to be sugar-coated about history, then history is being turned into propaganda that portrays how the US is better than anybody else, instead of what actually happened.
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The United States hasn't done anything good internationally though. Like NOTHING. Unless you think being able to get a McDonalds anywhere on the globe is considered good.

Britain stood up against Germany twice not the United States. WW1 it was because the British Naval super power that allowed them to have a similar control over the planet that the USA has today would be rendered useless if the Germans were allowed to control too much of Europe. And WW2 Germany had all of Europe within days so it was capitulate or fight back and they chose the latter. The USA sat by idly both times until the majority of the fighting was done and they could swoop in for an easy victory.

USA couldn't beat Japan honorably so cheated and nuked them.

There is nothing to be proud of. Stemming the flow of communism didn't benefit anyone. Who ended the Cambodian genocide? Not the USA, it was the communist Viets that put a stop to it after they got the USA out of there. The USA started a pointless war in that country to fight communism while they enabled a genocide worse than what happened to the Jews to happen next door.
 
^couldn't beat Japan honorably? first off if Hitler actually did win the war do you really think Hitler would then share it with Asian people who are known for having blue eyes and blonde hair. We told them to surrender they didn't, we drop the bomb rinse repeat. would you rather we have a ground invasion and have more Americans killed? I think you're forgetting what they stood for there was no honor in Japan during ww2.
 
13144135:zzzskizzz said:
^couldn't beat Japan honorably? first off if Hitler actually did win the war do you really think Hitler would then share it with Asian people who are known for having blue eyes and blonde hair. We told them to surrender they didn't, we drop the bomb rinse repeat. would you rather we have a ground invasion and have more Americans killed? I think you're forgetting what they stood for there was no honor in Japan during ww2.
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We provoked the war with Japan by not allowing them to have any imperial/expansionist ambitions. Driving them to the side of the Nazis.

Peace negotiations before dropping the bomb were never considered. But they probably would have agreed to somewhat of a truce.

Now Im not certain an Asia dominated by Japan would be a good thing since it would just be 1 big Japanese colony but I think that is more an Asian problem than a global one.

What you have to remember is that the United States was a highly civilized and highly educated and a highly neutral country in the 1930s. We were like a big Switzerland. The US population had zero stomach for wars until Pearl Harbor. We needed Japan to attack us for the war machine that currently exists to be mobilized. If there is no Pearl Harbor there is probably no right wing pro war meathead Fox News loving huge portion of the American public right now. So in effect we had to provoke Japan into war to create our current corporate war machine and the blind support for the military that currently exists.

Now a days there is no draft so its very easy to drive your pick up truck, hate Obama, and support our troops who keep us free from being invaded by Mexico or Canada at any moment.

Again the USA were a very neutral and very peaceful country prior to WW2.
 
13144143:PeppermillReno said:
We provoked the war with Japan by not allowing them to have any imperial/expansionist ambitions. Driving them to the side of the Nazis.

Peace negotiations before dropping the bomb were never considered. But they probably would have agreed to somewhat of a truce.

Now Im not certain an Asia dominated by Japan would be a good thing since it would just be 1 big Japanese colony but I think that is more an Asian problem than a global one.

What you have to remember is that the United States was a highly civilized and highly educated and a highly neutral country in the 1930s. We were like a big Switzerland. The US population had zero stomach for wars until Pearl Harbor. We needed Japan to attack us for the war machine that currently exists to be mobilized. If there is no Pearl Harbor there is probably no right wing pro war meathead Fox News loving huge portion of the American public right now. So in effect we had to provoke Japan into war to create our current corporate war machine and the blind support for the military that currently exists.

Now a days there is no draft so its very easy to drive your pick up truck, hate Obama, and support our troops who keep us free from being invaded by Mexico or Canada at any moment.

Again the USA were a very neutral and very peaceful country prior to WW2.
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Peace negotiations, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, how many bombs did we drop on Japan? If they would have surrendered before we drop the first bomb then why didn't they do it afterwards.
 
13144149:zzzskizzz said:
Peace negotiations, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, how many bombs did we drop on Japan? If they would have surrendered before we drop the first bomb then why didn't they do it afterwards.
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Who says they needed to surrender? We could have just signed a treaty or truce to stop fighting.

They weren't committing genocides unless you view them dominating the Chinese and other Asians in their imperialistic quests in the same light as the holocaust.

The Japanese weren't attempting to conquer the United States. They'd have taken Hawaii but thats it they weren't going to invade and occupy California. They wanted the United States to merely leave them alone to pursue their imperialistic ambitions and acquire their desired raw materials in Asia.

Japan was the most powerful country in Asia at the time and could have colonized all of it relatively easily that is why the USA nuked the fuck out of them so that they were fully defeated and could not rise again.
 
13143559:cool_name said:
Not canada, we just talked
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Yeah, that wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a war down south, already lol.

Hell, Canada didn't even really have any patriotism until 1812. You're welcome for everything Canada.
 
13144135:zzzskizzz said:
^couldn't beat Japan honorably? first off if Hitler actually did win the war do you really think Hitler would then share it with Asian people who are known for having blue eyes and blonde hair. We told them to surrender they didn't, we drop the bomb rinse repeat. would you rather we have a ground invasion and have more Americans killed? I think you're forgetting what they stood for there was no honor in Japan during ww2.
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Ahaha the use of nuclear weapons in Japan had nothing to do with saving American lives from a potential ground invasion and everything to do with divvying up the spoils of war. America wanted Japan for itself to rebuild as a client state but golly those damn reds were about to invade and we didn't want to have to share it with the Russians like we did Germany so we decided to start nuking their cities to force Japan's hand and make them surrender to the US.
 
13144156:PeppermillReno said:
Who says they needed to surrender? We could have just signed a treaty or truce to stop fighting.

They weren't committing genocides unless you view them dominating the Chinese and other Asians in their imperialistic quests in the same light as the holocaust.

The Japanese weren't attempting to conquer the United States. They'd have taken Hawaii but thats it they weren't going to invade and occupy California. They wanted the United States to merely leave them alone to pursue their imperialistic ambitions and acquire their desired raw materials in Asia.

Japan was the most powerful country in Asia at the time and could have colonized all of it relatively easily that is why the USA nuked the fuck out of them so that they were fully defeated and could not rise again.
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You really think we would have just signed a peace treaty, stopped fighting and then another war wouldn't come from that? Come on man we gave them the chance to surrender after dropping one bomb and they still said no we want to keep fighting. that in itself shows you that they wouldn't have been peaceful they had other plans, and it took the use of two nuclear weapons to realize they needed to stop. I don't regret anything in that situation on my country's behalf. you're throwing around a lot of hypotheticals.
 
Thread derail time

13144135:zzzskizzz said:
^couldn't beat Japan honorably? first off if Hitler actually did win the war do you really think Hitler would then share it with Asian people who are known for having blue eyes and blonde hair. We told them to surrender they didn't, we drop the bomb rinse repeat. would you rather we have a ground invasion and have more Americans killed? I think you're forgetting what they stood for there was no honor in Japan during ww2.
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13144149:zzzskizzz said:
Peace negotiations, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, how many bombs did we drop on Japan? If they would have surrendered before we drop the first bomb then why didn't they do it afterwards.
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13144195:zzzskizzz said:
You really think we would have just signed a peace treaty, stopped fighting and then another war wouldn't come from that? Come on man we gave them the chance to surrender after dropping one bomb and they still said no we want to keep fighting. that in itself shows you that they wouldn't have been peaceful they had other plans, and it took the use of two nuclear weapons to realize they needed to stop. I don't regret anything in that situation on my country's behalf. you're throwing around a lot of hypotheticals.
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People are so fucked on this subject. It doesn't matter if they would have surrendered or not. We don't surrender but should somebody drop nukes on our cities? It's also ironic that we're the police of who can have nuclear technology considering we're the ones who killed all those people with nukes.

People are not always going to agree, but you can't just nuke everyone that doesn't agree with you. It's insane to me how easily we justify this. "Well they wouldn't surrender" WHO CARES. Killing civilians civilians on that scale because their country wouldn't surrender is insane.

It disgusts me to hear people say stuff like that. I understand that's how good old 'Murca feels on the subject but to me it's messed up.

If somebody nuked Chicago do you think the American people would say well shit, you got us, lets be friends now?

Idk. I just think our perspective is messed up. How can we so easily justify the deaths of a couple hundred thousand civilians. It's like it was nothing, like we blew up an ant colony or something. We didn't even do anything wrong, just business as usual. A bunch of dead women and children? No worries, Japan was bad, they were all bad so fuck em = sweet.

/rant
 
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