BOA hate and what not

14611869:PartyBullshiit said:
I do not think [tag=134699]@onenerdykid[/tag] or [tag=154780]@tomPietrowski[/tag] are biased towards boa. They’ve both be completely honest about the pros and cons of the system. They didn’t design boa. They had input in the r&d of implementing boa into their products. Unless boa is secretly cutting checks to them I have full faith in their opinion.

As far as your boot fitter goes as has been pointed out a lot of fitters are stuck in their old ways and aren’t open to new tech or items. Just because “your” fitter is stuck in their old ways doesn’t make their opinion any more valid or reliable. In fact. I’d say very much the opposite. His goal is to get you into the boot “he thinks” is best. If he already hates on boa then he’s biased. Other wise he’d be recommending at the very least to try boa.
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Dude you are splitting hairs so hard lol I know they didn’t invent boa

time will tell. In 5 years we might all be in boa boots, or we could be looking back and saying “wow what a dumbass gimmick.” I honestly appreciate you for being an early adopter of the tech, but I think it’s pretty fair for people to be skeptical too.
 
14611919:hi_vis360 said:
Dude you are splitting hairs so hard lol I know they didn’t invent boa

time will tell. In 5 years we might all be in boa boots, or we could be looking back and saying “wow what a dumbass gimmick.” I honestly appreciate you for being an early adopter of the tech, but I think it’s pretty fair for people to be skeptical too.
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There is a huge difference of being skeptical and openly trashing a product you’ve never used. Most people especially on these forums are not skeptical. They’re trashing a product they’ve personally never used, have absolutely no idea about, and are basing their opinion from another boa product that has absolutely no relation to the other. Thats ignorance not skepticism.

When you have everyone involved in the product, everyone who’s tested the product and everyone who’s adopted them as an end user saying they are the cats pajamas and they are in fact better in essentially every way yet you have people who’ve literally never touched it saying “it’s garbage” who is really being skeptical?
 
I think it's totally fine that people are skeptical (I honestly think we should be more so, as a species). I was skeptical at first and it actually took me a few tests to appreciate what BOA has going on. I genuinely wasn't interested at first, but I came around once I actually started using it, taking it apart, and trying to break it.

If people don't want BOA on their ski boots, that's also totally fine. But they should have good reasons based on facts (or even aesthetics) and not just regurgitating false analogies and false dichotomies.
 
The reaction was exactly what was expected by us at K2 internally. People hate change and the internet has just given the vocal minority an amplified voice. But people always eventually come round and we were really confident that people would like BOA and that is exactly what happened.

Over the next few years you will see it more and more and even though some brands don't want to see it in race I cant believe it wont happen there too. In my opinion there is no way race brands will let buckles be used only in race and then super cheap boots, it just does not make sense. As soon as one racer goes faster in a BOA boot they will all want on board.

But other than that I do believe you will see most boots go BOA other than the cheapest ones where it does not make finical sense. We know it both improves comfort and performance so its just an obvious change for brands who want to make better fitting and performing boots.
 
On the lift, I flip buckles up for comfort. Unload, buckles back down, immediately back to preferred fit.

Does BOA have numbers/markers on the dial so that you can identify tightness and revisit that same position again?

If not, that's personally my reason for avoiding BOA.
 
14611993:j.roc said:
On the lift, I flip buckles up for comfort. Unload, buckles back down, immediately back to preferred fit.

Does BOA have numbers/markers on the dial so that you can identify tightness and revisit that same position again?

If not, that's personally my reason for avoiding BOA.
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You feel the tightness?

That sounds even more stupid than avoiding BOA because of aesthetics.
 
14611993:j.roc said:
On the lift, I flip buckles up for comfort. Unload, buckles back down, immediately back to preferred fit.

Does BOA have numbers/markers on the dial so that you can identify tightness and revisit that same position again?

If not, that's personally my reason for avoiding BOA.
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Depending on the boot there are lines and or numbers on the shell so yes you can set it to what you like. Easily pop the knob to loosen it and the. Repeat easily back to your favorite spot.
 
14611993:j.roc said:
On the lift, I flip buckles up for comfort. Unload, buckles back down, immediately back to preferred fit.

Does BOA have numbers/markers on the dial so that you can identify tightness and revisit that same position again?

If not, that's personally my reason for avoiding BOA.
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Well if you really want the same feeling then most brands do have some markings on the shell, at least for now, but your feet are constantly changing throughout the day so one of the best parts of BOA is that you can "dial" it in to the exact tightness desired at any time. Sure you can do that with the micro adjust on buckles but it takes longer and is not as easy, if even possible, while skiing. BOA allows you to tighten the exact amount you want on the fly.
 
I think people will get to the point with their boas that they’ll find the right amount of twists just like finding the perfect buckle. Personally my boot tightness varies on the daily mostly due to the temp and conditions so I’m never on the same buckle. I see where you’re coming from though.

I personally like the boa because it’s probably less likely to corrode and snap. Plus, I’m always losing that stupid spring that comes out mid season.

I might be totally wrong and it might be garbage but at least they’re trying something different.

I’m an older guy now and might try it if it means I can get the same tension from a buckle without fighting for leverage to get it closed.

14611993:j.roc said:
On the lift, I flip buckles up for comfort. Unload, buckles back down, immediately back to preferred fit.

Does BOA have numbers/markers on the dial so that you can identify tightness and revisit that same position again?

If not, that's personally my reason for avoiding BOA.
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**This post was edited on May 20th 2024 at 4:39:24pm
 
If you have to unlock your buckles during the chair lift, then you’re in the wrong boot. Unless you’re an Olympic racer, ski boots should be comfortable being buckled for the entire day, otherwise you need to see a boot fitter to get a new boot or modifications.

14611993:j.roc said:
On the lift, I flip buckles up for comfort. Unload, buckles back down, immediately back to preferred fit.

Does BOA have numbers/markers on the dial so that you can identify tightness and revisit that same position again?

If not, that's personally my reason for avoiding BOA.
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14612018:SkiEnthusiast420 said:
If you have to unlock your buckles during the chair lift, then you’re in the wrong boot. Unless you’re an Olympic racer, ski boots should be comfortable being buckled for the entire day, otherwise you need to see a boot fitter to get a new boot or modifications.
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Comfort fit vs performance fit sometimes.
 
14612018:SkiEnthusiast420 said:
If you have to unlock your buckles during the chair lift, then you’re in the wrong boot. Unless you’re an Olympic racer, ski boots should be comfortable being buckled for the entire day, otherwise you need to see a boot fitter to get a new boot or modifications.
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It's not that simple. Some of us have really fucked up feet.

Someone ban this dude from gear talk.
 
So you can use the knob like one of them goofy "anti theft bolt things." Use the knob as a key to do the shits and then stuff it in your pocket? (something tells me that was a dumb question.)

14611578:PartyBullshiit said:
The boa is two parts. I have the parts on hand. It’s easier than a buckle. The boa literally clicks off and clicks back on. So you can’t “break it off” like you can a buckle.

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