Biological equality

[WidelyHomier]

I'm in no way trying to be edgy or anything like that, I'm just curious of what you guys think. Do you think the reason women are bad at things like soccer, skating and whatnot is because they are discouraged from doing such things, and the really talented ones don't use their potential, or do you think they are physically inferior.

I just wanna know opinions.

 

[The-Rodent]

Look at the best female and male athletes.

They are both devoted 100% to mastering their craft but women are just physically unable to compete at the same level as men.

You will never see a women anything like Lebron James its just not possible

 

[Download-My-Apps]

This thread will get a lot of opinions. There are obvious physiological differences between men and women. But yes, culturally, we discourage females from participating in many sports so the potential talent pool is smaller. Skiing in the last few years has done a much better job of encouraging female participation and its awesome to see how many more shredders are emerging.

Another theory I've heard, isn't so much of female physical inferiority in physical activity, its that traditional games or sports are created to reflect male dominant attributes, some believe that if the rules were changed, females could have an equal level of performance.

 

[onenerdykid]

In matters of general physical ability and in regard to how much muscle is required to play a certain sport, people who are less strong/have less muscle mass will not be as good at sports as those who have the proper amount. That holds true for men and for women. To say that all women are physically inferior to all men is factually incorrect.

 

[WidelyHomier]

In matters of general physical ability and in regard to how much muscle is required to play a certain sport, people who are less strong/have less muscle mass will not be as good at sports as those who have the proper amount. That holds true for men and for women. To say that all women are physically inferior to all men is factually incorrect.

But on average it is a fact that men are physically superior, there may be outliers and exemptions, but the fact is that the average man is physically superior to the average women.

 

[Download-My-Apps]

But on average it is a fact that men are physically superior, there may be outliers and exemptions, but the fact is that the average man is physically superior to the average women.

I guess it depends on your school of thought. But I think that society really loves to make generalizations about male vs. female performance when there might not be that many differences...

Yes, men have more muscle mass or and strength. So if it were the 100m dash, without of question the majority of men should beat the majority of women. But how many sports are truly just a test of physical strength? So many of them have a skill component in them.

This is the quite of debate that could go in circles. But you have to consider the major role that society plays in defining gender in play/ sport. Even at extremely young ages boys are typically encouraged to participate in activities that promote their development in sport (rough housing and tumbling), where as females as are encouraged to participate in more interactive games, which many believe that typically females are over performing males in school.

 

[onenerdykid]

But on average it is a fact that men are physically superior, there may be outliers and exemptions, but the fact is that the average man is physically superior to the average women.

While this is true, you cannot draw the general conclusion in your OP that "women are bad at things like soccer". Such a statement isn't remotely correct since there are plenty of women who are better at soccer than men. What you should have made is a comparison of the world's best men's soccer player vs the world's best women's soccer player, and yes I would most likely agree with you. But to say that women are straight up bad at sports is completely inaccurate.

 

[WidelyHomier]

While this is true, you cannot draw the general conclusion in your OP that "women are bad at things like soccer". Such a statement isn't remotely correct since there are plenty of women who are better at soccer than men. What you should have made is a comparison of the world's best men's soccer player vs the world's best women's soccer player, and yes I would most likely agree with you. But to say that women are straight up bad at sports is completely inaccurate.

I'm just generalising man it's beside the point.

 

[Lonely]

I'm just generalising man it's beside the point.

Well you can't have a conversation about a topic by just generalizing. Issues are much more pointed than that.

 

[ianrich511]

There is no advantage to either gender when it comes to skill.

 

[DBack1321]

If we were to compare two teams professional teams at the top of their respective sports the males would most likely spank the shit out of the females. We are just stronger, faster and bigger in general. Skill is one of those things that is dependent on the individual, but being stronger and faster sure helps develop and make up for lack of a specific skill. You see physical sexual differences in a lot of species.

I don't really think females are discouraged from becoming athletes, at least not in 2015 and up to the college level. Past that, it's all a money thing and it really comes down to what people want to watch. Would you rather want to watch a WNBA game or an NBA game? The fans drive the professional sports market and if theirs no demand then sorry ladies.

 

[AgitatedHiatus]

Biologically speaking, yes women are generally less stronger than men. However, I have no doubt in my mind that Ronda Rousey could kill me given the chance.

 

[AgitatedHiatus]

Biologically speaking, yes women are generally less stronger than men. However, I have no doubt in my mind that Ronda Rousey could kill me given the chance.

 

[FrenchFry]

Dude women just aren't as strong as men plain and simple. It's not rocket appliances.

 

[iFlip]

Dude women.

"Dude women" like Bruce Jenner?

 

[AgitatedHiatus]

Dude women just aren't as strong as men plain and simple. It's not rocket appliances.

I wouldn't generalize. Not saying that you are, but not all women are weaker than men. But in most cases you are right.

 

[Blindsurfer]

men are terminators, women are spaghetti. #RealFactsOnly

 

[katrina]

death to women's skiing

xoxoxo

 

[FrenchFry]

There is no advantage to either gender when it comes to skill.

Peeing with aim??

 

[ianrich511]

Peeing with aim??

 

[cool_name]

I'm fairly sure nobody is trying to say ALL men are better than ALL women, that's fairly obivpusly not the case, but on average certain genders will excel at certain activities. For example women, on average get better grades in school.

 

[deleted5]

They're not equal men are stronger than woman no one can argue that, because believe it or not we are different.

I remember a year back we started talking about woman in the military doing combat I said i didn't want any woman to be going to war in my group with me, everyone freaked out.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...-to-pass-phase-one-of-army-ranger-school.html and this was after they all got special treatment and weeks of prep and training before. They were also held to a lower standard that the men didn't get. after 3 retrials all the woman still failed patrols, 5 were sent home the 3 retried then failed there patrols again. Think 2 girls ended up passing
http://www.people.com/article/female-ranger-school-graduation-planned-advance
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/12/marines-study-women-in-combat-all-male-squads

down vote away

 

[SFB]

girls suck and they r nerds

 

[AgitatedHiatus]

girls suck and they r nerds

(': such beautiful words

 

[DirtYStylE]

Girls can't use their third arm for balance

 

[S.J.W]

Peeing with aim??

Why the fuck do you need to aim when you sit down?

 

[corona]

Why the fuck do you need to aim when you sit down?

They should still learn to aim. Women's toilet seats have pee on them all the time. I get it's because they like to hover, but it can't be that difficult to learn to hit a 10 inch target from 4 inches away.

 

[DBack1321]

They're not equal men are stronger than woman no one can argue that, because believe it or not we are different.

I remember a year back we started talking about woman in the military doing combat I said i didn't want any woman to be going to war in my group with me, everyone freaked out.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...-to-pass-phase-one-of-army-ranger-school.html and this was after they all got special treatment and weeks of prep and training before. They were also held to a lower standard that the men didn't get. after 3 retrials all the woman still failed patrols, 5 were sent home the 3 retried then failed there patrols again. Think 2 girls ended up passing
http://www.people.com/article/female-ranger-school-graduation-planned-advance
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/12/marines-study-women-in-combat-all-male-squads

down vote away

The Marine Corps did like a year long study on this, determined women couldn't do the infantry and the sec of the navy didn't even listen. They've already made up their minds regardless of what the studies show.

 

[S.J.W]

They should still learn to aim. Women's toilet seats have pee on them all the time. I get it's because they like to hover, but it can't be that difficult to learn to hit a 10 inch target from 4 inches away.

what the fuck are you doing to know how woman's toilet seats have piss on them all the time?

 

[Satan666]

what the fuck are you doing to know how woman's toilet seats have piss on them all the time?

having a girlfriend?

 

[act.resist]

generally speaking men are stronger than women, that's genetics, duh. testosterone = muscle mass. there are always exceptions though. Can a female soccer player be better than a male soccer player? Yes! is the best female soccer player better than the best male soccer player? Maybe...anything is possible...but probably not. but, gender does not denote value. so whether one gender is better at a sport than another it doesn't really matter as long as everyone is getting the opportunity to play. I personally think that everybody has skills that they can bring to the table, which is why i enjoy coed sports.

 

[deleted5]

generally speaking men are stronger than women, that's genetics, duh. testosterone = muscle mass. there are always exceptions though. Can a female soccer player be better than a male soccer player? Yes! is the best female soccer player better than the best male soccer player? Maybe...anything is possible...but probably not. but, gender does not denote value. so whether one gender is better at a sport than another it doesn't really matter as long as everyone is getting the opportunity to play. I personally think that everybody has skills that they can bring to the table, which is why i enjoy coed sports.

"is the best female soccer player better than the best male soccer player?" That's not a maybe that's a no. Also and being that were talking about professional sports no it should not be opportunity to play, it should be the best players on the field whether they be all men or women.

 

[act.resist]

"is the best female soccer player better than the best male soccer player?" That's not a maybe that's a no. Also and being that were talking about professional sports no it should not be opportunity to play, it should be the best players on the field whether they be all men or women.

whatever. the main idea is that it doesn't matter who is better or worse we're all still human beings and our worth is the same.

 

[numnuts]

yes even men are better at being women bruce/caitlyn Jenner over here just fucking won best female award or something and he's still a man biologically

 

[theBearJew]

Look at the best female and male athletes.

They are both devoted 100% to mastering their craft but women are just physically unable to compete at the same level as men.

You will never see a women anything like Lebron James its just not possible

If Lebron was born with a vagina, he would be Serena Williams.

 

[deleted5]

whatever. the main idea is that it doesn't matter who is better or worse we're all still human beings and our worth is the same.

Are worth is not the same, it completely depends on what subject you're talking about. With sports men are almost always going to be worth more.

 

[act.resist]

Are worth is not the same, it completely depends on what subject you're talking about. With sports men are almost always going to be worth more.

im talking entirely generally, we are all human beings with the same feelings and desires. the only thing that differs about us is our genitals and physique. unless youre an extreme idiot sexist and think that men and women have different brains you can just sit over there at the idiot table with the rest of the people from before the 1900s

 

[deleted5]

im talking entirely generally, we are all human beings with the same feelings and desires. the only thing that differs about us is our genitals and physique. unless youre an extreme idiot sexist and think that men and women have different brains you can just sit over there at the idiot table with the rest of the people from before the 1900s

Our brains are different
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

 

[Download-My-Apps]

Our brains are different
http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

Really? I haven't heard of general anatomical differences between male or female brain. You could easily argue that females out performing males in school and being able to use higher executive functioning as being reflective of how we encourage each gender to play and interact at a young age, think about what toys girls are given vs. what toys boys are given. I'm not saying there isn't a biological difference between males and females, but the opportunity and the environment (including sports and play) are a huge factors.

These gender stereotypes don't do anyone favours. To simply say girls brains are better at school, boys are better at sport is a massive generalization. And I think that you're looking at things as a little too black or white.

 

[Aomame]

Really? I haven't heard of general anatomical differences between male or female brain. You could easily argue that females out

there most certainly are. gyre shape and depth among other things. not saying that means anything but anatomical differences do exist.

 

[Download-My-Apps]

there most certainly are. gyre shape and depth among other things. not saying that means anything but anatomical differences do exist.

Well, we can have the first sentence stricken from the record book then...

 

[californiagrown]

While this is true, you cannot draw the general conclusion in your OP that "women are bad at things like soccer". Such a statement isn't remotely correct since there are plenty of women who are better at soccer than men. What you should have made is a comparison of the world's best men's soccer player vs the world's best women's soccer player, and yes I would most likely agree with you. But to say that women are straight up bad at sports is completely inaccurate.

It is entirely accurate and you are splitting hairs and arguing semantics. Are humans faster than Cheetahs? Well sure, if the human is Usain bolt and the cheetah is sick and old. see what i did there. recognize that logic.

In what sport are women superior to men?

 

[deleted5]

Really? I haven't heard of general anatomical differences between male or female brain. You could easily argue that females out performing males in school and being able to use higher executive functioning as being reflective of how we encourage each gender to play and interact at a young age, think about what toys girls are given vs. what toys boys are given. I'm not saying there isn't a biological difference between males and females, but the opportunity and the environment (including sports and play) are a huge factors.

These gender stereotypes don't do anyone favours. To simply say girls brains are better at school, boys are better at sport is a massive generalization. And I hat you're looking at things as a little too black or white.

Men and women's brains are different, that's why throughout the entire human history men and women have acted differently, And even today (although I'm sure that's what you're trying to address with your playing with dolls) are put into separate groups and factor differently. Car insurance for example that has nothing to do with dolls but men are just more aggressive driving therefore we get into higher speed accidents. Which is why males under 25 have to pay the highest premium. I'm not saying ones better than the other but they are not identical.

 

[onenerdykid]

It is entirely accurate and you are splitting hairs and arguing semantics. Are humans faster than Cheetahs? Well sure, if the human is Usain bolt and the cheetah is sick and old. see what i did there. recognize that logic.

In what sport are women superior to men?

If you read all of my replies to the OP, you would see that I was attacking his absolute statement of "women are bad at things like soccer". If you want to have a debate about physical ability, I suggest we state things in general terms not absolute. Of course men are generally physically superior to women and as I said in the post you quoted, if you take the best male example in sport X and the best female example in the same sport the male example will more often than not trump the female. But to say that women are bad at sports is a stupid statement, because you only have to look at real life to see that women are not bad at sports. Is their best example better than the best male example, most often not and I never said they were otherwise.

Your example is not even remotely related to the one I used- at no point did I compare a healthy person to a sick and old person. But let's make things easy for you and keep everyone the same age and same health. You don't think that there could be a girl who could ride a bike faster than a a guy of the same age & health? Obviously there could be and there are. Race stats prove there are faster girls than guys, on the same track nonetheless. Where I will obviously agree with you is that if you look to the fastest guy he is for sure faster than the fastest girl, but there are girls who are faster than some guys. These are examples of girls being better at the same sport than guys of roughly the same age and health.

 

[FastSpeed]

We might be "superior" due to muscle mad and stuff, but women have breasts so doesn't that level the playing field a bit?

 

[deleted5]

Well, we can have the first sentence stricken from the record book then...

*whole post.

 

[Kazabazua]

Look at the best female and male athletes.

They are both devoted 100% to mastering their craft but women are just physically unable to compete at the same level as men.

You will never see a women anything like Lebron James its just not possible

Except for the Williams sisters who pretty much are men.

 

[californiagrown]

If you read all of my replies to the OP, you would see that I was attacking his absolute statement of "women are bad at things like soccer". If you want to have a debate about physical ability, I suggest we state things in general terms not absolute. Of course men are generally physically superior to women and as I said in the post you quoted, if you take the best male example in sport X and the best female example in the same sport the male example will more often than not trump the female. But to say that women are bad at sports is a stupid statement, because you only have to look at real life to see that women are not bad at sports. Is their best example better than the best male example, most often not and I never said they were otherwise.

Your example is not even remotely related to the one I used- at no point did I compare a healthy person to a sick and old person. But let's make things easy for you and keep everyone the same age and same health. You don't think that there could be a girl who could ride a bike faster than a a guy of the same age & health? Obviously there could be and there are. Race stats prove there are faster girls than guys, on the same track nonetheless. Where I will obviously agree with you is that if you look to the fastest guy he is for sure faster than the fastest girl, but there are girls who are faster than some guys. These are examples of girls being better at the same sport than guys of roughly the same age and health.

Hahahahaha so you do agree with the statement "men are physically superior to women". You just don't agree with the statement " all men are physically superior to all women". Funny thing is, no one said the latter, but your own mind sure did twist the first onto the latter. Have fun arguing the wording instead of the VERY obvious intent.

 

[Kazabazua]

Two words - Rock Climbing. If you want to see perfect technique watch a girl climb a 5.11. They might not be as strong but they make up for it with their brains.

 

[saskskier]

Equality =/= sameness.

Comparing men and women's attributes and abilities is like comparing a green apple with a granny smith. Both are equally apples and great in their own way, but they will never be the same, so why compare them as if they were and criticize one for not being the other?

 

[onenerdykid]

Hahahahaha so you do agree with the statement "men are physically superior to women". You just don't agree with the statement " all men are physically superior to all women". Funny thing is, no one said the latter, but your own mind sure did twist the first onto the latter. Have fun arguing the wording instead of the VERY obvious intent.

So in your mind, the sentence "men are physically superior to women" is logically equivalent to the sentence "men can be physically superior to women"? I can see why you don't do well with actual logic. These sentences are not the same yet the thing is some people do argue this point, and I was making sure OP wasn't. But, nice try.