yungskigga
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Is it true that in order for a binding to perform as intended it should be somewhere in the middle of its din range. what are the cons if im at like 7-8 on a binding thats 6-15?
Bindings fact or cap?
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FaunaSkis
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The short answer: it’s a lie. DIN is DIN, there are no real cons.
The long answer:
the middle of the range thing is an old wives tail, that maybe used to have some safety validity at some point.
The number scale on alpine bindings refers to a defined spring release torque (within a tolerance), which is a standard all the manufacturers work to, having been set by the DIN (Deutsches Institut für Normung (German Institute for Standardization)) and the ISO (International Organisation for Standardisation) and is set out in DIN/ISO8061 and tested to the methods in DIN/ISO9462
Due to this standardisation, any binding set to a number on the scale should, assuming all other adjustment of toe height and forward pressure etc. is correct, release at a specific torque, or within the tolerance of it.
How close to the defined torque value bindings release at, at one specific binding release value in a range is something that isn’t talked about by binding manufacturers, likely as it can vary based on all sorts of factors, but will still fall within the tolerance.
It may be that the tested value of a binding release setting in the middle of a range is closer to the defined value in the standard than if it is set at the top or bottom of a range but, it will still be in the tolerance of the standard and so shouldn’t be worried about.
One non-safety thing that would be worth considering when buying bindings is how your release value might change as you age and progress as a skier, as height, weight, age, ability and boot size define the recommended binding release setting. Usually this is only by a few points on the scale, if your feet suddenly get bigger, you grow a lot taller or lose/gain a lot of weight. so being right at the top or bottom of the range of a binding could mean you need a new binding sooner.
One last thing to think about is that binding springs wear through use and so the measured release torque value of the binding can change meaning you may have to adjust the binding to compensate. Which, if you’re in the middle of the range allows for any required adjustment without problem. This is why you should get your bindings tested periodically.
The long answer:
the middle of the range thing is an old wives tail, that maybe used to have some safety validity at some point.
The number scale on alpine bindings refers to a defined spring release torque (within a tolerance), which is a standard all the manufacturers work to, having been set by the DIN (Deutsches Institut für Normung (German Institute for Standardization)) and the ISO (International Organisation for Standardisation) and is set out in DIN/ISO8061 and tested to the methods in DIN/ISO9462
Due to this standardisation, any binding set to a number on the scale should, assuming all other adjustment of toe height and forward pressure etc. is correct, release at a specific torque, or within the tolerance of it.
How close to the defined torque value bindings release at, at one specific binding release value in a range is something that isn’t talked about by binding manufacturers, likely as it can vary based on all sorts of factors, but will still fall within the tolerance.
It may be that the tested value of a binding release setting in the middle of a range is closer to the defined value in the standard than if it is set at the top or bottom of a range but, it will still be in the tolerance of the standard and so shouldn’t be worried about.
One non-safety thing that would be worth considering when buying bindings is how your release value might change as you age and progress as a skier, as height, weight, age, ability and boot size define the recommended binding release setting. Usually this is only by a few points on the scale, if your feet suddenly get bigger, you grow a lot taller or lose/gain a lot of weight. so being right at the top or bottom of the range of a binding could mean you need a new binding sooner.
One last thing to think about is that binding springs wear through use and so the measured release torque value of the binding can change meaning you may have to adjust the binding to compensate. Which, if you’re in the middle of the range allows for any required adjustment without problem. This is why you should get your bindings tested periodically.
IsaacNW82
Member
Cap, If its in the range, and otherwise adjusted properly, it should release according to ISO 9642 standards.
Riding 7-8 DIN in a 6-15 binding is totally fine.
Higher DIN bindings have a general tendency (but this is not always true) to be more durable and also cost more, so "middle of range" is used as an old rule of thumb to make sure you a buying a binding that is likely durable enough without being overkill for your use. Anything about it not releasing correctly is conjecture and directly at odds with DIN/ISO standards and testing.
Personally I think its not a great rule and too many people focus on it, better to just buy a proven binding system that fits your preferred DIN in its range with just enough wiggle room in either direction to account for wear and tear and/or changing preferences
**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2023 at 11:32:15am
Riding 7-8 DIN in a 6-15 binding is totally fine.
Higher DIN bindings have a general tendency (but this is not always true) to be more durable and also cost more, so "middle of range" is used as an old rule of thumb to make sure you a buying a binding that is likely durable enough without being overkill for your use. Anything about it not releasing correctly is conjecture and directly at odds with DIN/ISO standards and testing.
Personally I think its not a great rule and too many people focus on it, better to just buy a proven binding system that fits your preferred DIN in its range with just enough wiggle room in either direction to account for wear and tear and/or changing preferences
**This post was edited on Jan 25th 2023 at 11:32:15am
FaunaSkis
Member
14502419:IsaacNW82 said:
This was a point I wanted to include in my post but forgot. This is another non-safety reason for leaning toward your DIN being in the middle of the range.
Some brands have started included a typical skier weight recommendation for their bindings to help make sure you get a binding that is durable enough for you as a skier.