Best wide park ski

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tru_bou

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Looking for a wide soft park ski. So far I am considering:

1. Line Blend (100mm)

2.Nordica Soul Rider (97mm)

3.Volkl Bridge (95mm)

4.K2 Shreditor (92 or 102mm)

5.Icelantic Da’Nollie (95mm)

6.Revision Talisman (96mm)

7.ON3P Kartel (98mm)

Any suggestions for others or advice? Haven’t ridden any of them so any thoughts or comments on them would be sick.
 
topic:tru_bou said:
Looking for a wide soft park ski. So far I am considering:

1. Line Blend (100mm)

2.Nordica Soul Rider (97mm)

3.Volkl Bridge (95mm)

4.K2 Shreditor (92 or 102mm)

5.Icelantic Da’Nollie (95mm)

6.Revision Talisman (96mm)

7.ON3P Kartel (98mm)

Any suggestions for others or advice? Haven’t ridden any of them so any thoughts or comments on them would be sick.
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Hey dude, I'm in the same boat as you here, I just rode faction's prodigy for 2 seasons, and I wanna change it up (136-98-126)

But tbh, if you're looking for a playful ski that will still hold on big landings, carve like no other freestyle ski and still hold up to 2 seasons of every type of skiing including 3 or 4 urban sesh, then really do consider faction prodigy, simply the best all mountain ski I've ever owned, they kill it everywhere.

The only reason I'm not buying another pair is that I want a park only wide ski (which is what you want too apparently?). But if you want something for pow days and smashing crud/hardpack/anything then prodigy ftw.

I almost got K2 shreditor 92 (102 aren't park oriented enough imo) and they're pretty heavy and not that durable.

Friend has the should riders and likes em, but he was very surprised at how unbuttery they were at first, he was expecting a much more playful ski.

Another friend rides DaNollie as his park ski, it's really playful, he loves it on rails/boxes but they're quite unstable as soon as you take medium jumps and even when you start going a little fast.

Don't know much about the other skis you mentioned, but my first choice right now are the kartels 98 (or even the fatter version, I like a FAT ski in the park). I also looked into the talisman, they're damn cheap right now too, but I've heard as much bad things as good things about them so not too sure.

My other option from on3p right now are the Jski allplay; i mean the stoke on them is so big that it's probably worth considering, they seem a little thin for me though.

I also thought about the Bdogs, but the durability isn't their strong point apparently
 
13492811:McLS said:
Hey dude, I'm in the same boat as you here, I just rode faction's prodigy for 2 seasons, and I wanna change it up (136-98-126)

But tbh, if you're looking for a playful ski that will still hold on big landings, carve like no other freestyle ski and still hold up to 2 seasons of every type of skiing including 3 or 4 urban sesh, then really do consider faction prodigy, simply the best all mountain ski I've ever owned, they kill it everywhere.

The only reason I'm not buying another pair is that I want a park only wide ski (which is what you want too apparently?). But if you want something for pow days and smashing crud/hardpack/anything then prodigy ftw.

I almost got K2 shreditor 92 (102 aren't park oriented enough imo) and they're pretty heavy and not that durable.

Friend has the should riders and likes em, but he was very surprised at how unbuttery they were at first, he was expecting a much more playful ski.

Another friend rides DaNollie as his park ski, it's really playful, he loves it on rails/boxes but they're quite unstable as soon as you take medium jumps and even when you start going a little fast.

Don't know much about the other skis you mentioned, but my first choice right now are the kartels 98 (or even the fatter version, I like a FAT ski in the park). I also looked into the talisman, they're damn cheap right now too, but I've heard as much bad things as good things about them so not too sure.

My other option from on3p right now are the Jski allplay; i mean the stoke on them is so big that it's probably worth considering, they seem a little thin for me though.

I also thought about the Bdogs, but the durability isn't their strong point apparently
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this guy is right on everything he said here. I would think about Jskis though I'm not sure if they are worth getting, but customer service and graphics are on point. I would think about the Karrtel 98 a little bit. This guy pretty much covered what a short review on each ski
 
13492907:Swandog7 said:
this guy is right on everything he said here. I would think about Jskis though I'm not sure if they are worth getting, but customer service and graphics are on point. I would think about the Karrtel 98 a little bit. This guy pretty much covered what a short review on each ski
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Haha thanks, it just so happens that I know well people who ride those skis. Tbh it really depends on what op's style of skiing is. I know I want something that holds up on bigger jumps and still be able to butter around and shred rails all day. So I need a flexy stable durable ski. Which is why I'm leaning towards on3p.
 
13492970:McLS said:
Haha thanks, it just so happens that I know well people who ride those skis. Tbh it really depends on what op's style of skiing is. I know I want something that holds up on bigger jumps and still be able to butter around and shred rails all day. So I need a flexy stable durable ski. Which is why I'm leaning towards on3p.
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Thats exactly what it is. Some people need to know what riding style they are and not what riding style the skis they are looking for are. Do I butter a lot and want a soft ski, or do I not butter a lot and want a soft ski, If i don;t butter I would want a flexy stable ski, not a soft and noodle like ski. There is a difference between some soft skis. It isn't a soft/medium/stiff, there are different types of soft and stiff skis and stuff like that
 
13492974:Swandog7 said:
Thats exactly what it is. Some people need to know what riding style they are and not what riding style the skis they are looking for are. Do I butter a lot and want a soft ski, or do I not butter a lot and want a soft ski, If i don;t butter I would want a flexy stable ski, not a soft and noodle like ski. There is a difference between some soft skis. It isn't a soft/medium/stiff, there are different types of soft and stiff skis and stuff like that
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yes! on point ! I see and hear too many people getting skis thinking that they will be able to ride differently once they have them under their feet. What you need to do is ride they way you feel with whatever you have under your feet and think what aspects of the ski could be different in order to make the way you ride easier. Only durability is something that doesn't depend on your riding style, although if you spend most of the time off rails or do urban every night then it becomes an important factor
 
13493000:McLS said:
yes! on point ! I see and hear too many people getting skis thinking that they will be able to ride differently once they have them under their feet. What you need to do is ride they way you feel with whatever you have under your feet and think what aspects of the ski could be different in order to make the way you ride easier. Only durability is something that doesn't depend on your riding style, although if you spend most of the time off rails or do urban every night then it becomes an important factor
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Can't do much about that but know where you'll spend most of your time, and tune your skis and dry them off to prevent rust and dry bases
 
13493005:Swandog7 said:
Can't do much about that but know where you'll spend most of your time, and tune your skis and dry them off to prevent rust and dry bases
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well I mean some skis really do have a better durability than others. My friend has been on al dentes for around half a season and his edges are getting out, base doesn't look too good. I've had my prodigy for 2 seasons, not taken particularly good care of them and all i have is one small edge crack that I got from banging a rock. Only problem is the base pattern which I can't redraw because of that edge crack, it won't go in the machine without ripping the edge out. So my skis are getting pretty slow, but still, impressive since I have a lot of rails under them by now, and a few urban sesh
 
13493009:McLS said:
well I mean some skis really do have a better durability than others. My friend has been on al dentes for around half a season and his edges are getting out, base doesn't look too good. I've had my prodigy for 2 seasons, not taken particularly good care of them and all i have is one small edge crack that I got from banging a rock. Only problem is the base pattern which I can't redraw because of that edge crack, it won't go in the machine without ripping the edge out. So my skis are getting pretty slow, but still, impressive since I have a lot of rails under them by now, and a few urban sesh
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Well ya obviously some skis have better durability, but as a skier you can't do much other than tuning and taking care of them yourself. You can't change the skis overall durability. Thats why its important to look at that while you are buying a pair
 
13492811:McLS said:
Hey dude, I'm in the same boat as you here, I just rode faction's prodigy for 2 seasons, and I wanna change it up (136-98-126).

But tbh, if you're looking for a playful ski that will still hold on big landings, carve like no other freestyle ski and still hold up to 2 seasons of every type of skiing including 3 or 4 urban sesh, then really do consider faction prodigy, simply the best all mountain ski I've ever owned, they kill it everywhere.

The only reason I'm not buying another pair is that I want a park only wide ski (which is what you want too apparently?). But if you want something for pow days and smashing crud/hardpack/anything then prodigy ftw.

I almost got K2 shreditor 92 (102 aren't park oriented enough imo) and they're pretty heavy and not that durable.

Friend has the should riders and likes em, but he was very surprised at how unbuttery they were at first, he was expecting a much more playful ski.

Another friend rides DaNollie as his park ski, it's really playful, he loves it on rails/boxes but they're quite unstable as soon as you take medium jumps and even when you start going a little fast.

Don't know much about the other skis you mentioned, but my first choice right now are the kartels 98 (or even the fatter version, I like a FAT ski in the park). I also looked into the talisman, they're damn cheap right now too, but I've heard as much bad things as good things about them so not too sure.

My other option from on3p right now are the Jski allplay; i mean the stoke on them is so big that it's probably worth considering, they seem a little thin for me though.

I also thought about the Bdogs, but the durability isn't their strong point apparently
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I mean the CT 2.0 is essentially the park oriented re-build of the Prodigy. Better durability and more stable on landings but the DNA is the same. I do prefer the Prodigy because it's a bit softer underfoot but both are great options for what you're talking about (I've owned multiple pairs of both '15 and '16s). If I had to pay for the skis though, I'd take the 2.0 for it's beefiness.

The BDog (I skied the Alpha but the ski is very similar) and Shreditor 102 are at least equal in durability to the Prodigys which have lasted you well. And I don't really feel like the 102 is any less park oriented than any of the other skis you mentioned. I've literally just finished an in depth review on them which will be live in the next month and they are a lot of fun in the park and would be a good choice for a wide park ski; soft, playful, buttery and easy to ski. They are no heavier than most other skis in the category either, just longer for their stated size (I.e the 177 is a true 177 and so longer than a 178 prodigy/2.0).

The Soul Rider softens off a bunch if you flex in to them, they don't ski like Kieran Mcveigh's out of the box but they soon get softer. Not as soft as the Blend/Shreditor. Can't really comment on the Kartel/Talisman/All Play because they don't get over to europe much but you dont often hear a bad word against the Kartel.

But for what you both are describing, I'd probably say CT 2.0 is probably a good ski to take in to consideration/demo though, especially if you liked the prodigy and want more of a park oriented ski.
 
13493070:Twig said:
I mean the CT 2.0 is essentially the park oriented re-build of the Prodigy. Better durability and more stable on landings but the DNA is the same. I do prefer the Prodigy because it's a bit softer underfoot but both are great options for what you're talking about (I've owned multiple pairs of both '15 and '16s). If I had to pay for the skis though, I'd take the 2.0 for it's beefiness.

The BDog (I skied the Alpha but the ski is very similar) and Shreditor 102 are at least equal in durability to the Prodigys which have lasted you well. And I don't really feel like the 102 is any less park oriented than any of the other skis you mentioned. I've literally just finished an in depth review on them which will be live in the next month and they are a lot of fun in the park and would be a good choice for a wide park ski; soft, playful, buttery and easy to ski. They are no heavier than most other skis in the category either, just longer for their stated size (I.e the 177 is a true 177 and so longer than a 178 prodigy/2.0).

The Soul Rider softens off a bunch if you flex in to them, they don't ski like Kieran Mcveigh's out of the box but they soon get softer. Not as soft as the Blend/Shreditor. Can't really comment on the Kartel/Talisman/All Play because they don't get over to europe much but you dont often hear a bad word against the Kartel.

But for what you both are describing, I'd probably say CT 2.0 is probably a good ski to take in to consideration/demo though, especially if you liked the prodigy and want more of a park oriented ski.
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How durable is the CT 2.0 and Prodigy? I saw the CT 2.0 only has 1.8mm edges which could probably easily crack etc..
 
13493294:tru_bou said:
How durable is the CT 2.0 and Prodigy? I saw the CT 2.0 only has 1.8mm edges which could probably easily crack etc..
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Edge life is a really difficult thing to quantify as care, luck and use plays such a massive role. More so than actual edge size in my experience. If you detune your edges well they last longer, If you ski smoothly your edges last a lot longer, if you swap which foot your skis are on they last longer and perhaps most significantly, if you are lucky, they last longer. You can crack/wreck an edge at any time on any ski, if you catch it at the wrong angle and nail them hard. I've had cracks in a 2.5mm edge on day one and I've had a CT 2.0 with a 1.8mm edge last me 40 days before the first crack.

So I'm not 100% sold that wider edges are a real solution to durability, I'd categorize them as decreasing the probability that you get unlucky. However, in answer to your question, McLS clearly had good luck with his Prodigys if he managed to ride them for 2 seasons. My last pair lasted me around 40 days of pretty much pure park riding and they are finished. I loved every minute on them, probably my favourite park ski of all time (big claim, may change mind in future) and I have mounted up a new pair. But if I was buying a ski for pure park, I wouldn't get them, they are more a fun daily ski + dabble in the park for most people.

I think the CT 2.0 uses the exact same edge, but I believe uses a reinforced/more shock absorbing layup to prolong life expectancy. It may have been luck played a role but I've found my pairs significantly more durable, after 45 or so days my first pair were in plenty good shape to pass on to a friend to keep riding. My second pair are still going strong with no signs of major damage after 15 or so. That is pretty similar to the life I tend to get out of fat base and edge skis. Hopefully that goes some way to answering your question!
 
13493070:Twig said:
I mean the CT 2.0 is essentially the park oriented re-build of the Prodigy. Better durability and more stable on landings but the DNA is the same. I do prefer the Prodigy because it's a bit softer underfoot but both are great options for what you're talking about (I've owned multiple pairs of both '15 and '16s). If I had to pay for the skis though, I'd take the 2.0 for it's beefiness.

The BDog (I skied the Alpha but the ski is very similar) and Shreditor 102 are at least equal in durability to the Prodigys which have lasted you well. And I don't really feel like the 102 is any less park oriented than any of the other skis you mentioned. I've literally just finished an in depth review on them which will be live in the next month and they are a lot of fun in the park and would be a good choice for a wide park ski; soft, playful, buttery and easy to ski. They are no heavier than most other skis in the category either, just longer for their stated size (I.e the 177 is a true 177 and so longer than a 178 prodigy/2.0).

The Soul Rider softens off a bunch if you flex in to them, they don't ski like Kieran Mcveigh's out of the box but they soon get softer. Not as soft as the Blend/Shreditor. Can't really comment on the Kartel/Talisman/All Play because they don't get over to europe much but you dont often hear a bad word against the Kartel.

But for what you both are describing, I'd probably say CT 2.0 is probably a good ski to take in to consideration/demo though, especially if you liked the prodigy and want more of a park oriented ski.
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Thanks for pitching in man, some great info there ! I guess I must of been wrong on shreditors then, sorry bout that op. Damn you're really making me want to get faction 2.0 now...I wanted to try something else though, dam this is hard. Especially because the 2.0 is fatter by a bit than my 2 other options...dam. I'll probably make a thread for more specific opinions if I can't decide by myself. Twig, did you make a 2.0 review?
 
Volkl bridges suck. Way to stiff and heavy.

Friend broke his Blends in a season, but they looked like tons of fun.

I'd get the ON3P's. Although I've only ridden the Jeronimo, it seems like not a whole lot has changed between it and the Kartel. It's a pretty stiff ski, but has a lotta rocker so it's not too difficult to butter.
 
13493606:elm. said:
Volkl bridges suck. Way to stiff and heavy.

Friend broke his Blends in a season, but they looked like tons of fun.

I'd get the ON3P's. Although I've only ridden the Jeronimo, it seems like not a whole lot has changed between it and the Kartel. It's a pretty stiff ski, but has a lotta rocker so it's not too difficult to butter.
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Would agree about bridges, they are on the stiffer side. Also, I believe one of the only changes about the Geronimo and Kartel is the rocker profile a small amount, but not 100% about this
 
Da' nollies are not that wide, but they are very soft and everyone loves them. Icelantic Nomads are pretty stiff, but they are alot wider than the da'nollies, and i think thay have a tad more rocker (idk for sure).

Da'nollies for reference:

[VIDEO]https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/733563.0/ZAMpark14?c=11&t=6#Rmtl5bzcqyqUHjFZ.97[/VIDEO]

And as stated above ON3P makes amazing skis.

You can never go wrong with icelantic or ON3P
 
I rode Shreditor 102s for most of last year as my park ski, and really enjoyed them. Really soft,and the rocker profile makes them super fun and buttery... If you're doing lots of big jumps, then they might not be my first choice, but the swing weight is actually pretty good. I picked up a pair of blends for this season, so we'll see if there's anything I like more or less about those...
 
Hey,

i have ON3P Jeronimo 100mm (you can say, Kartel 98 is a newer version of Jeronimo), so i bet Kartel is really good. I really like ON3P quality and it's not yet so mainstream i would say :)
 
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