Bell ringing landings

JTTrembles

JTTrembles

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Has anyone here ever got there “Bell rung” from just landing to hard? I took a jump a bit too large on Tuesday, landing around the second half of the landing. I landed perfectly absorbing some of the impact with my knees. But I felt a shockwave travel from my feet, through my knees, up my spine, and finally ringing my head. My head did not physically move at all, but yet I’m now experiencing concussion symptoms from the impact. Bummer.
 
yeah but I’ve never had concussive symptoms from it. Hopefully you didn’t fuck something up in your spine.
 
Yes, I landed really flat on a wack side hit and I had a ripping headache for a couple of hours. I landed it just fine but my head hurt a lot considering I absorbed it properly. I also felt the impact travel through my back which felt kinda wack

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2023 at 2:10:26pm
 
I blasted a little too hard onto a flat groomer at deer valley early in the season and was seeing stars for a few minutes. Didn’t even wipe out
 
14529639:ReturnToMonkey said:
Have you had concussions prior to this? They seem to happen easier if you've had them already
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I didn’t necessarily have a concussion but I had concussion symptoms. I have had 4-5 proper concussions before that incident
 
14529653:Eli.braun98 said:
I didn’t necessarily have a concussion but I had concussion symptoms. I have had 4-5 proper concussions before that incident
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I wasn't implying you got one, that seems pretty unlikely from what you described. I've had a few too and certainly feel effects from hits to the head a lot more since. Our damaged brains are just a lot more sensitive and weird things still happen if it gets some shock but not necessarily injury.
 
If you've had multiple concussions previously, the effect is cumulative. You will get successive concussions more easily to the point where any impact to your body at all will cause one. So once you've been concussed enough, even when you stomp it triggers symptoms.
 
This happens to me with my balls sometimes. Sometimes I'll land real hard and it will feel like I just got kicked in the balls
 
I'm guessing it is possible, there's been a bit of news about CTE among the jetski community, and it is apparently related to the impacts of going over waves and landing thereafter. So not about banging your nut on the jetski or similar, just the sharp change in direction as they land. This obvs happens a lot on a jetski, but the point is basically the same.

I've never had what you are describing from airtime in the park. But heavy landings are one reason I'm not that much a fan of really poppy take offs, cause they generally don't match the landing by being similarly steep, so they tend to be hard landings. For me, a kicker is poorly built if there is much, if any, significant impact when you land anywhere near the sweet spot. I remember doing a 25m kicker one season where the landing was like you'd only done a 2 or 3 foot air, and the sweet spot was knuckle to at least half way down the landing. That one was so well built that when I lost it a bit on the in-run cause of random skiers making small moguls on the in-run and my left binding half let go, I floated over the knuckle, landing flat on my back after a 25m plus flight and had no impact really worth talking about. This is how a jump should be built.
 
I believe that concussions and their effects are more about your brain impacting against the walls of your skull vs. an actual impact of your head against the ground, so it is definitely possible to get a concussion from a large impact to your body when you didn’t actually hit your head.
 
So CTE isn’t even necessarily caused by concussions, but it’s mainly caused by many small impacts to your brain. You don’t even need to get an actual concussion or a hit to the head for it to contribute to CTE. That’s why it’s way more present in football linemen than QBs, since linemen see a lot of small hits to the head rather than big impacts

In other words, skiing hard puts all of us at risk for CTE.

EDIT: I wonder if this has anything to do with suicide/depression rates among free skiers and in ski towns

**This post was edited on Apr 15th 2023 at 6:13:00pm
 
If you have the symptoms I think your safest bet is to assume that you do have a concussion. As others have noted in this thread, it's fairly common to get a concussion without directly impacting your head.
 
14529676:Brother_trucker said:
I'm guessing it is possible, there's been a bit of news about CTE among the jetski community, and it is apparently related to the impacts of going over waves and landing thereafter. So not about banging your nut on the jetski or similar, just the sharp change in direction as they land. This obvs happens a lot on a jetski, but the point is basically the same.

I've never had what you are describing from airtime in the park. But heavy landings are one reason I'm not that much a fan of really poppy take offs, cause they generally don't match the landing by being similarly steep, so they tend to be hard landings. For me, a kicker is poorly built if there is much, if any, significant impact when you land anywhere near the sweet spot. I remember doing a 25m kicker one season where the landing was like you'd only done a 2 or 3 foot air, and the sweet spot was knuckle to at least half way down the landing. That one was so well built that when I lost it a bit on the in-run cause of random skiers making small moguls on the in-run and my left binding half let go, I floated over the knuckle, landing flat on my back after a 25m plus flight and had no impact really worth talking about. This is how a jump should be built.
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That's interesting about jetskiers. I fully agree about poppy jumps. They seem to be worse when bad and better when good than less poppy jumps. I think poppiness helps with tricks, too. I really love the feeling of landing after a couple seconds of air time and it feels like you never left the ground. I really hate the feeling of knowing you are about to knuckle the fuck out of your landing and you come down from way high up
 
14529754:ReturnToMonkey said:
That's interesting about jetskiers. I fully agree about poppy jumps. They seem to be worse when bad and better when good than less poppy jumps. I think poppiness helps with tricks, too. I really love the feeling of landing after a couple seconds of air time and it feels like you never left the ground. I really hate the feeling of knowing you are about to knuckle the fuck out of your landing and you come down from way high up
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Yeah, fully concur mate. I'm fine with most any jumps to be fair, I just prefer less height, and more smoothness the older I've got. And for me a transition should be a completely smooth curve, being a faction of a circle, and all should be like that, poppy or not, then the ride off it is always going to feel smooth and predictable. But sometimes you find poor shaping where the curve tightens just before take off, which tends to make people get bucked. This is handled OK by solid park riders, but much less so by up and comers. And for me the parks need to be focused on the learning market much more. If they stop doing that, it won't be long before there are no more parks skiers. That plus the industry wants to keep telling everyone to go off piste every minute of the day, and continuously market that are the skiing dream... Regards knuckling, I've had park season ender knuckles twice in my long and illustrious career off about 20m kickers when the knuckles were fairly solid and it fucked my foot up:-) I said I'd never let it happen again after the first time which took 6 months to get fully better, and avoided hitting XL booters til spring snow conditions... and then one season my enthusiasm got the better of me and little gust of wind held me up 4th lap on XL and the knuckle was a rather urgent shape on the kicker at that point and was almost perpendicular to direction of travel so it fucked it up for another 5 months....LOLs, too much enjoyment can be had from booters. Don't get me wrong on both occasions I could ski after a few days, but not hit the park... so from my perspective it was season ending really. It is massively disappointing to be in resort for months and only be able to ski pow and piste (cause obvs pow is very rare really most seasons). Heel injuries take ages to sort out.... But the sensation you describe of getting the airtime, just keeps anyone that gets it coming back regardless of some setbacks. Though I guess you never end up doing XL booters if you don't have a mindset that accepts a level of risk of injury in the first place.
 
14529536:Eli.braun98 said:
Yes, I landed really flat on a wack side hit and I had a ripping headache for a couple of hours. I landed it just fine but my head hurt a lot considering I absorbed it properly. I also felt the impact travel through my back which felt kinda wack

**This post was edited on Apr 14th 2023 at 2:10:26pm
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This is why i take tylenol before skiing. Too many days ruined by headaches
 
14529674:Rparr said:
This happens to me with my balls sometimes. Sometimes I'll land real hard and it will feel like I just got kicked in the balls
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[tag=252431]@MaimHelp[/tag] this you?
 
topic:JTTrembles said:
Has anyone here ever got there “Bell rung” from just landing to hard? I took a jump a bit too large on Tuesday, landing around the second half of the landing. I landed perfectly absorbing some of the impact with my knees. But I felt a shockwave travel from my feet, through my knees, up my spine, and finally ringing my head. My head did not physically move at all, but yet I’m now experiencing concussion symptoms from the impact. Bummer.
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Yup. This season I jumped off a cliff, came down and landed with my jaw on the top of my pole. I can’t believe i didn’t break anything or lose any teeth. Moral of the story is don’t do any stunts lazily
 
14529676:Brother_trucker said:
I'm guessing it is possible, there's been a bit of news about CTE among the jetski community, and it is apparently related to the impacts of going over waves and landing thereafter. So not about banging your nut on the jetski or similar, just the sharp change in direction as they land. This obvs happens a lot on a jetski, but the point is basically the same.

I've never had what you are describing from airtime in the park. But heavy landings are one reason I'm not that much a fan of really poppy take offs, cause they generally don't match the landing by being similarly steep, so they tend to be hard landings. For me, a kicker is poorly built if there is much, if any, significant impact when you land anywhere near the sweet spot. I remember doing a 25m kicker one season where the landing was like you'd only done a 2 or 3 foot air, and the sweet spot was knuckle to at least half way down the landing. That one was so well built that when I lost it a bit on the in-run cause of random skiers making small moguls on the in-run and my left binding half let go, I floated over the knuckle, landing flat on my back after a 25m plus flight and had no impact really worth talking about. This is how a jump should be built.
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In downhill mtb too, Laurie Greenland had to take some time off from riding bikes because he was struggling to focus his eyes. He went to his doctor and got diagnosed with concussion symptoms, just from riding so hard, no crashes
 
14530220:IsaacNW82 said:
In downhill mtb too, Laurie Greenland had to take some time off from riding bikes because he was struggling to focus his eyes. He went to his doctor and got diagnosed with concussion symptoms, just from riding so hard, no crashes
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I guess all of this basically amounts to what happens when parents lose their shit at their babies and given them shaken baby syndrome.... rattle the head around rapidly and the amount of internal absorption against rapid changes in direction is not sufficient, and injuries result.
 
topic:JTTrembles said:
Has anyone here ever got there “Bell rung” from just landing to hard? I took a jump a bit too large on Tuesday, landing around the second half of the landing. I landed perfectly absorbing some of the impact with my knees. But I felt a shockwave travel from my feet, through my knees, up my spine, and finally ringing my head. My head did not physically move at all, but yet I’m now experiencing concussion symptoms from the impact. Bummer.
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LOLs, I knew I shouldn't have replied to this thread before the end of the season. Skied the park in the other resort centre my pass covers the last two day cause my local one was closed, and my neck feels like I've got whiplash... kickers in the park in Tignes are a bit poppy and the landing are not steep and long so if you make sweet spot even the landings feel a little on the heavy side, assuming you don't wash out the take off like a lot of boarders do. Went a bit bigger and got rang yesterday and again today... they say you live you learn....
 
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