Bdog X-games

you think its impossible for any trick to be better than dub? man.. you've got to stop listening to mike douglas. its really sad to see kids like this in skiing who have no clue about what actually makes a trick difficult. i honestly feel like i'm talking to one of the judges here and if i am, fuck you for fucking up big air.
 
Orrrrrrr.....

I know what judges want to see, double flips.

Nobody's going to be doing bio 14's in slope anytime soon...
 
A lot of people that have competed at x haven't medaled but are still invited.
and clearly his runs are worth something if he makes it into finals, i mean fuck he got 4th place last year; shouldn't that stand for something?
also phil said during the inspired media interview that he wants to learn doubles but doesn't want to rush anything so i'm willing to bet once he learns some doubles they're going to blow our minds.
and honestly one of the main reasons i watch ski comps is to watch skiing, why is everyone so damn hung up about who wins, in the end all freestyle ski judging is subjective and up for debate (as you can see from the amounts of "_______ should have won ______" threads created after every event).
 
you mean, you know what YOU want to see. if you liked watching casabon ski, you would never say "TAKE HIM OUT! WE NEED MORE DOUBLE FLIPS!" and knowing that you think just like the judges, your opinions are fucking terrible. you just proved to all of us that you are the main stream, new age, gaper... you know the same kind in snowboarding that worship shaun white... you know, the kind that loves to judge who's better based on zero knowledge on tricks and grabs and on only if it looks harder.
 
When(please find me a quote) did I say that I don't like watching him ski? All I ever said was that without doubles, he can't podium. You freaked the fuck out. Can you honestly say he's going to do well without dubs? just answer me that.
 
Sure he's good, all I ever said is that without dubs he can't podium. When he learns them he's gonna murder comps.
 
Why doesnt Casabon just sack the fuck up and learn doubles already?
No hate but his attitude bugs me...How can he expect to go far in a competition when he refuses to progress like everyone else? Its not a style competition because NO ONE CAN JUDGE STYLE. Its a skill competition and he does the easiest tricks.
If he wants to be serious in comps all he has to do is learn a double. Why he hasn't is beyond me. The 15 year old kid can do them.
 
x-games judges want to see double flips, because idiots like you (read: the ignorant masses, the viewership of the x-games) don't understand that many single-flipping and non-flipping spins are more technically difficult than double flips. this is at least a 10 year old concept in both skiing and snowboarding.
and i would bet money that the bio 12 or 14 will be done by henrik in a slopestyle comp within a year.
there was a really great article in FREEZE from, i think, 2002, that illustrates this point pretty well.
 
yes someone please explain to me why casabon wont do doubles...because its clearly a very touchy and important subject
 
he came 4th last year in slope last year, obviously without dubs, and had a pretty noticeable bobble on one of his landings if i remember correctly. i think there's some hope for guys like him in comps yet.
 
quite presumptuous of you don't you think?

I don't see why because I'm being realistic about this means I know nothing about skiing. It is what it is, and just because the "core" of freeskiing(read: newschoolers), a tiny percentage of the X games viewership, wants things to change doesn't mean it will. We have little to no pull in a competition of this magnitude, it's the "ignorant masses" that fund this event, and our sport at large.

Quite simply, we cannot exist without the support of the "uneducated".... Live with it.
 
i agree that watching phil throw sw truck driver 9s is way more entertaining than bobby oir andreas throw a dub 10 mute. not hating on bobby or hatveit but dub 10s are ugly now. even like a dub 9 ir sw dub ten is more stylish than a dub 10 mute.
 
lol
this was the same attitude people had with sw 10's- now bdog does a swtich 10 and everyone is like ohh so stylie brahhh

so to win xgames they should all start doing tricks that were hard 4 years ago?

 
why doesn't he just learn to fucking double, he could bring his unique style to it and then he could do ok in competitions.
 
no it's because everyone was doing tindy or mute switch tens. not one person did one with a truck driver which goes to show how hard that trick is. the same goes for now with everyone doing dubs. if someone does a blunt dub 12, its fucking insane. if someone does a dub 12 with a mute, that's nothing special because everyone else can do it.
 
And you are obviously of such great value to the skiing community.

Are you so thick headed that you cant understand this, the X games has evolved beyond giving a fuck about who has the" illest steeze" and the tallest tee. It's a business that caters to the average consumer. The average consumer wants triple flips. Not a godamn blunt cork nine. That's what movies are for. We aren't going to change the judging because we aren't going to change the entire x games business model, it's extreme brah.
 
but don't you see that the masses' opinion is so manipulable? they don't come up with their own ideas about what's harder or better. they just hear it from dipshits like uncle e and sal masakela.
you can get the general populace to argue about ANYTHING (just look at how stupid american politics are getting now). like a few years ago, when they made a big deal over the rivalry between tanner and simon in the pipe. anyone who knew anything about skiing knew that there was no more of a rivalry there than there is a rivalry between the US army and a guy with a bb gun. but expn marketed that rivalry in such a way that people were up in arms over who was better, even though it was CLEAR that tanner was better and he ALWAYS won! it got so rancorous and volatile that people were throwing snowballs at tanner one year because they thought dumont should have won.
all of us posting and debating on the internet does nothing. but if mike douglas had taken half the time he spent talking about bobby b, and spent it discussing how difficult a cab 12 double japan is (and make no mistake, thats a fucking HARD trick. anyone who's ever tried a big spin with a dub japan knows that it is not easy, and that's why you never see them) then all the people at home would be debating whether or not b-dog should have been scored higher. but instead, mike douglas basically wrote it off as laziness, uncle e's dumb ass agreed, and the people at home have no idea because every time they've gone skiing, the most they've left the ground is off the side of a rail lip in the kiddy park.
the solution? kill uncle e, replace him with uncle luke van V, and let luke and mike have actually discussions about what tricks are harder or better.
 
He does need to start doing doubles for some way to place, but I feel as if they're going to be doubles that follow the way he's progressing, i.e. dub cork 7, nose butter dub misty, switch cork 3 to switch rodeo 5 or something you wouldn't believe is possibly yet is done, and is still super styley and not "selling out".
 
You need doubles to score good in X-games. I think we have been over this more than twice in the past 3 days, people. Quit with the whole "doubles are gay" bullshit. I bet as soon as b-dog or e-dollo learns them, you will all start loving them.
 
casabon has one trick over everybody else. that weird axis switch truck driver 900/1080.

2:33

find me another video of somebody doing that.
 
Rails are more important to him than jumps. Also, he isn't going to try to ski like somebody else. He will use his strong points (style, rails) to express himself through his skiing. If he doesn't want to double then he won't and why should he?
 
finally someone who makes sense.
its NOT about who's steezier should be scored higher. the whole deal is about how the judges and announcers cannot tell the difference between an easy trick and a hard trick when its done as well as casabon does it. they automatically think that because its a double cork or flip, that makes it instantly harder than ANY trick with only a single axis. and they've shown time and time again that judging is more influenced by what would bring better ratings than what's actually thrown.
 
I guess you're very ignorant in the ways of reading...I said EASIEST as in while everyone else throws doubles casabon is only flipping once which is not as hard. Sorry I didn't make my post clear enough for stupid people.
 
somehow I have a hard time believing the judges dont know what is harder- they aren't some figure skating judges, they are professionals who also happen to be retired pro skiers themselves-

get over it- if a switch 10 blunt was the hardest and best trick then why wouldnt everyone else be trying it
oh wait thats right- because they had it on lock about 5 years ago
get bent all of you idiots, casabon is hucking 12s and your saying its stylish- maybe if he did a 7 I would agree
here is whats going to happen
judging will never change, hard tricks will be scored better,
no matter how much you idiots bitch it will never change, because if a super stylish cork 7 was scored the same as a double 12 then everyone and their grandma could win x games

 
exactly... i like the way hes goin with it.

im tired of dubs. when he does like 10's with blunt with tons of style its makes me go nuts
 
IN MY OPINION i think he chooses not to do doubles because he doesnt give a fuck. He has his own style and form of skiing, as clearly evident in the B&E shit. i am glad he doesnt throw double cork 12s in comps liek everyone else. His skiing and style is definitely unique and creative

holy shitstorm

 
he can definetly dub. there's no way someone as good as him with as much experience hitting big jumps and with the air awareness to have as big of a bag of steezy tricks as he does can't dub. i think he makes a conscious decision not too. but I agree that he could learn dubs and make them stylish to do better in comps
 
there definitely is but as far as his jumps were in this years they were about as hard as you can get without doing dubs and i think he got like an 85.00 in elimination which is damn good for a run without dubs

switch 10 truck has to be harder than a dub 10

i bet if had kept the rails the same then done like rodeo 9 switch right 10 then made that last hit a switch dub 12 dub japan he would have made the podium
 
The problem is the only skiing the average person sees is the doubles. Thank god for Strudelpack, T.C, C.a.s.g, B&E and every kid making edits that show different kinds of skiing from all over the world.
 
well if b-dog wants to further his ski career he needs to learn dubs...if he doesn't give a fuck about comps...then he doesn't.
its up to him.
 
Nope i got your message loud and clear buddy you said that Casabon's run was easier then all the other ones. You said it was easy relative to everyone else, i got that much. Where you made the mistake is that saying that the more you flip over your head the harder it gets. It takes just as much talent to control a trick to the point that Phil (and a few others) can. A switch 12 double japan is just as hard as a dub 12 mute. The technicality of a trick is not just how many times a person can flip over their head and spin before landing again. The little things are just as difficult because they require just as much (if not more) control of your body and mind as a double flip. just because hes not throwing the popular "technical" trick of the time does not mean that what he was doing was any easier. all the skiers in x games this year were throwing extraordinarily technical runs, including Phil. How hard do you think it was to do a switch truck driver 1080? Do you think that Phil was being lazy when he did that? He thought "oh its a whatever trick because im not going over my head twice." Do you think for a second that Phil didnt have to be just as focused and talented to land his runs as any of the other athletes did with theirs? That he just sat back and didnt really care what happened when he did his tricks? Do you think that if they wanted to any of the other athletes in slope could have done Phil's run with-ought batting an eye? this is why i called you ignorant in my previous post.

Doubles and triples are not the only boundaries that can be pushed with skiing, Its a fad that has been over hyped by the media and pretty soon it will become stale and everyone will move on to the next big thing. look at all the edits these days everyone and their gramma can do a double flip of some kind. people are getting bored with this, that is why skiers like phil and henrik are so popular among the ski community. i just hope that people aren't close minded enough to think that triples are the only option for whats next. There are other boundarys in skiing than the ones that were displayed this year at x games. and i think people need to realize this.

 
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