Hello guys, i'm looking for a new setup for backcountry/touring. I want it to be as light as possible and mostly for tree skiing since i already have a ski for big lines. Kinda thinking about the Atk R14 and the kingpins wheter Din13 or M-Werks but cant really decide.. Whats your thoughts on this one? Not really looking for any other binding. Next question would be: does anyone in here have the new DPS Pagoda Tour 112 and could give me his opinion? I really like the weight and small turning radius. Would be open for any other aki recommendation as long it is over 105 width, lighter than 1600g and has under 17m turning radius. Thanks alot and have a great day!!
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Kaidenpeterson
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cydwhit
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On the binding front, go ATK all day.
Freeraiders weigh 360g, and are very easy to use, and ski really well.
M-werks Kindpins weigh 666g are slightly harder to use, and ski really well.
For a binding that weighs nearly twice as much, there's very little (if any) performance benefit to be had by going Kingpin.
For skis, I haven't skied those DPS's specifically, but my one piece of advice would be to focus less on a hard radius number. It's a very small part of the equation for how a ski handles in tight trees, and in my experience often doesn't really tell you that much about how it will feel with your specific skiing style and conditions. Taper length and shape, as well as rocker profile and flex play a huge part in that.
Freeraiders weigh 360g, and are very easy to use, and ski really well.
M-werks Kindpins weigh 666g are slightly harder to use, and ski really well.
For a binding that weighs nearly twice as much, there's very little (if any) performance benefit to be had by going Kingpin.
For skis, I haven't skied those DPS's specifically, but my one piece of advice would be to focus less on a hard radius number. It's a very small part of the equation for how a ski handles in tight trees, and in my experience often doesn't really tell you that much about how it will feel with your specific skiing style and conditions. Taper length and shape, as well as rocker profile and flex play a huge part in that.
That makes sense but what about the safety? On The kingpin you have releases in both directions while on the atk is just one (if im not mistaken). I have no fear on jumping around in normal bindings because i know that they will release when they should but can i trust in a pin binding aswell..?
I see, i thought the sidecut is pretty important for a good manueverability in trees.. Could you recommend a ski for the trees which you think will turn easy?
I see, i thought the sidecut is pretty important for a good manueverability in trees.. Could you recommend a ski for the trees which you think will turn easy?
14362802:cydwhit said:
cydwhit
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14362808:blyatful said:
This is a very large can of worms. Neither the ATK or the Kingpin is release tested like an alpine binding. Marker has spent a fair amount of time and money trying to assure us that it's safer than other pin bindings. As far as I know there is little to no data to actually prove that one way or another.
Both the ATK and the Kingpin have two release screws in the heel, you can adjust both lateral and vertical release values on both bindings. I personally feel just as safe jumping off stuff on the ATK as I did on the Kingpin. Neither of them have adjustable toe release, so I don't trust either as much as I trust a Shift or even a Vipec to come off. This is the risk that comes with skiing pin bindings.
If you're getting a sub-1600g ski though, don't put a heavy binding on it regardless, that's just silly. FR 14 would be the biggest, heaviest binding I'd consider putting on a ski that light.
There are lots of skis that are easy to turn in tight terrain. Personally, for deep snow in tight trees I've enjoyed all of these skis: Moment Deathwish Tour, Moment Wildcat Tour, Atomic Bent Chetler 120, Line SFB, Line Vision 108. At the weight you are talking about, I haven't skied as many options, but I'd be looking at the Commencal Meta (even if it sucks it's cheap and light so it's a risk worth taking) or something from Moonlight Mountain Gear. Their skis are stupid light. Movement also makes some very light fun looking skis, but I haven't gotten to ski any of them.
First thanks you for taking the time! Well tge conclusion would be to just buy the ATK since it's much lighter and has about the same specs as the Kinpin. For me it is just kinda weird to think about a 360g Bindings holds on well but with all the Aluminium it should be fine i guess..
Seems like you're from the U.S everyone from there has Moment skis
I just went in the Moment page and men.. They're selling the R14 as their Binding?????
But the skis are really light though.. Thanks for the opinion
Seems like you're from the U.S everyone from there has Moment skis
I just went in the Moment page and men.. They're selling the R14 as their Binding?????But the skis are really light though.. Thanks for the opinion
14362815:cydwhit said:
cydwhit
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14363316:blyatful said:First thanks you for taking the time! Well tge conclusion would be to just buy the ATK since it's much lighter and has about the same specs as the Kinpin. For me it is just kinda weird to think about a 360g Bindings holds on well but with all the Aluminium it should be fine i guess..
Seems like you're from the U.S everyone from there has Moment skis
But the skis are really light though.. Thanks for the opinion
I mean, right now I'm trusting 140g bindings to hold me, and I'm tall and heavy haha. Binding weight often has very little correlation to how well they stay on (it's more likely to affect how consistently they come off).
Just about everybody and their mom is rebranding ATK's because they're very good bindings. Moment's are sweet because they have a more alpine ramp angle than the originals, although I believe some ATK's have the same ramp this year? And if you buy the non-Moment ATK's, and don't like the ramp, they're easy to shim up.