Avalache Rescue from both perspectives
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schusson
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topic:georgen12 said:
as scary as that is, the rescuer did everything just about perfectly, he stayed calm, tried to avoid getting frantic. the only thing i would say about that is the rescuer should have kept his gloves on, immediately ripping your gloves off and digging with bare hands is no fun and could leave you with frostbite. overall, that was an excellent video of what its like from both sides of the incident.
13421457:Hubsta said:
I don't know much about big mountain/ back country skiing but how do people not use the right gear for it? It could potentially save you from a life or death situation like this one. If I ever went out west and skied stuff like this I would be sure as hell to get the right gear for it. Just seems extremely stupid to take that kind of a risk in my opinion.
Holte
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That made me shudder when he started screaming. Terrifying.
I got buried under a measly 6 inches of sidecountry slough a few years back and couldn't move an inch without having my arms dug out. Really humbling experience to see what a tiny amount of snow could do. I can't imagine being buried in a real slide. Ride with a good partner guys.
I got buried under a measly 6 inches of sidecountry slough a few years back and couldn't move an inch without having my arms dug out. Really humbling experience to see what a tiny amount of snow could do. I can't imagine being buried in a real slide. Ride with a good partner guys.
shin-bang
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13421528:cddlswthsqrrls said:
often times people dont have the right gear because its so expensive. but in reality, how much is your life worth? whenever youre venturing out of bounds you should always have your beacon (300$) probe (50$) and shovel (65$). not only should you have this gear but you should have taken an avy class. me and lencon actually took an avy class and was terrifying but super useful. getting buried under snow and not being able to breathe or move would scare me to death. i intend to get avy 1 certified sometime in the future before i get to serious about bc skiing and touring.
PeppermillReno
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13421528:cddlswthsqrrls said:
I don't want to quote the other people because I don't want to be a dick responding to them but my response is directed to the responses to your post and not yours haha Im not ranting at you.
As you know powder skiing is incredibly easy in good soft fresh snow just about everyone who isn't a total gaper can ski any and everything if it has a fresh 6+ inches. As you can see from this thread EVERYONE and their mother feels entitled to ski wherever they see snow on a hill.
The back country experts and enthusiasts weighing in are probably the most selfish of all since they act as though their avalanche beacon is going to dig them out of a slide and not another human being risking their life. The back country enthusiast will swear on their life that they can go out 100 days a year on their own and be less of a risk/liability than the part timer who isn't as knowledgable that grabs skins and treks up whatever shit they feel like a couple times a year.
Im summary avalanches are not happening because of noobs in the back country but rather because of all the adventurists who want to earn their turns and don't want to ski inbounds at resorts. And teh better skiiers of those are going to get bored very quickly skiing stable pack and will sooner or later ski something they shouldn't and risk someone elses life and their own. Inbounds terrain isn't good enough for them so why would moderate tame out of bounds terrain be to? There is nothing keeping expert skiiers like this off of ANYTHING when there is fresh powder. Nothing. Remember 80% of newschoolers honestly don't think that the steeper a line is the more avalanche prone it is.
Again these are the people that will act as though their avalanche beacon and all the proper equipment will be what digs them out of a slide not anotehr person with a family and loved ones risking their life.
Half the fucking responses in this thread are pretty much 'hey its cool to go out and get into an avalanche as long as you dropped 2k on the right gear to not die huh my brodude lets go earn our turns.'
Mount Washington had something like 6 in one day caused my shitheads who all consider themselves experts.
PeppermillReno
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Sorry that rant was offbase noone in the thread said dumb shit I was just makign the point that there is far too much emphasis on having the right gear and not enough on avoiding avalanches all together.
schusson
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13422641:MCsugarcat said:
Do you have an extra chromosome? First of all 2 of those were naturally triggered. So that bumps it down to 4 "shitheads" causing avalanches. One of those 4 "shitheads" was one of the forecasters that was actively evaluating the snowpack for the daily avalanche warning/advisory. I would consider him an expert. So 3 "shitheads" that aren't certified experts let the other 3 go. One was a ski cut(something a trained individual knows how to do).
Before you go around calling people shitheads you should get your facts straight. If you want to read all about the incidents of that day, here you go:
http://www.mountwashingtonavalanche...29-2015-multiple-avalanches-on-mt-washington/
http://www.mountwashingtonavalanche...2015-first-person-narrative-of-lip-avalanche/
Peckerhead.
RussellK141
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13422641:MCsugarcat said:
where were these type of posts? the responses I see are people suggesting seeking further avalanche education or picking a good backcountry travel partner. having the right gear is absolutely essential in the event of an emergency. having a partner with adequate knowledge and skill is also just as essential. however, you are correct in implying that MOST essential is making cautious and conservative choices while skiing in the backcountry.
there absolutely needs to be an emphasis on proactive backcountry safety, but you don't need to be a dick about it.
PeppermillReno
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13423257:RussellK141 said:
Your right about safety and not being a dick. When I reread the thread I posted that my reaction was dumb. Just there are tons of people getting into back country skiing and that inevitably means more avalanches.
The industry is pushing back country skiing from a sales and marketing perspective and I don't think its a good movement or trend its just going to lead to lots of idiots getting lost and buried. Just something that should be de-emphasized across the board and people should be specifically discouraged (and face large ass fines if they fuck up) from doing it not told just take a class and buy the right stuff. For every 1 person who can afford all that gear there will be 5 people who can't not everyone can drop 1k on a backpack with an airbag.
The analogy I would make for back country skiing is that it is like riding a motorcycle but you can't wear a helmet even if you want. The pro skiiers who have red names on here and get dropped off in helecopters have all the safety precautions possible and are world class athletes who are experts get to ride motorcycles. Amateurs have to settle for mopeds. Scale it back and its no big deal ie someone takes a moped and doesn't ride it on a main road and in busy traffic. Take your moped on the highway with no helmet and not on quiet roads and its very different. Your average backcountry idiot is the equivalent of a guy trying to take a moped on the highway.
your posts remind me of the anology of rob ford a kilo of crack and random typing of shit ya think ya know.
Am i the only one who sees poor sluff management
if bro stays on his feet he skis it out.
He eats shit in the apron looks up and gets buried by his sluff a few seconds later.
ifin your gonna ski committing steep loaded avvy slopes not suckin will help
not get buried
Am i the only one who sees poor sluff management
if bro stays on his feet he skis it out.
He eats shit in the apron looks up and gets buried by his sluff a few seconds later.
ifin your gonna ski committing steep loaded avvy slopes not suckin will help
not get buried