Attack 14s vs Pivot 15s for Wildcat 101s?

[invalid]

Stuck between attack 14s 95MM and pivot 15s 95MM.

few things - I’m going to be using this setup for literally everything this year, park, big mountain, cliffs, jumps, groomers whatever else the fuck there is.

im worried about the things I hear about the brakes breaking off, especially since I’ll have to bend both to fit the 101 width on my skis.

would love to hear y’all’s on opinion

 

[-eREKTion-]

I have both attacks and pivots, both are good. I’ve always been a supporter of buying the cheapest binding that works for your needs. I’m kind of moving away from that towards pivots because they’re bomber af.

 

[invalid]

I’m seeing so much conflicting info I’m getting choice paralysis lol. Ugh.

tbh I can’t even figure out how to buy looks of their websites so I might just buy the attacks from REI

I have both attacks and pivots, both are good. I’ve always been a supporter of buying the cheapest binding that works for your needs. I’m kind of moving away from that towards pivots because they’re bomber af.

 

[dkels]

I currently have both bindings on different pairs of skis. Both are great and no matter what I think you'll be happy. That said, I'll highlight a few things I don't like about each binding because I think you can learn the benefits of each by researching their respective websites. For the Attack: I don't like how the brake piece requires two screws into the ski. If you rip these brakes out (never happened to me), you might have to remount the ski in another spot depending on what shape the holes are in. For the Pivots: I don't like how pointy the heel piece is - if you ever land back-seat on a cliff drop you're in for a world of hurt. Also, I find that whenever I take my skis off, there is like a 25% chance that the heel piece is either going to rotate or stick up for some reason - making me have to put it back into place before I put my skis back on (actually gets quite annoying). The Pivot brakes are also expensive compared to other brakes ($95 compared to $30-$50). If you break your brakes, or you want to use the same bindings on a different-width ski, you might have to cough up some extra dough. Another potential downside of the pivot is that the heel piece isn't as adjustable as other bindings. Not too sure on the exact specs, but I believe they offer significantly less adjustability than other bindings like the Attack. This only becomes a problem when you try to sell your skis in a few seasons and every potential customer is going to complain that they're going to have to pay to get the bindings remounted to fit their boots. Final con of the pivot is that they are quite pricey. Back when you could find Pivots for $200 - $250 I was way more stoked on them, but now that they're in the $300 - $400 I tend to choose alternatives if buying new (I think the price just jumped because of hype, not from advances in technology). Re-reading this it sounds like a big anti-Pivot post, but I will say that when skiing they are probably the best performing bindings on the market - they just have these downsides that I don't think get mentioned enough. My personal favorite binding is the STH family. Hope this helps!

 

[invalid]

I think I’ve made up my mind. I’m going to sit and think on it for about a day, but I’m most likely gonna order some pivot 15s to my local rei soon. Thank you for the breakdown.

as of now, the concept of safer ejection and just overall better performance for popping out when you need/don’t need to seems a lot better. Thanks again

I currently have both bindings on different pairs of skis. Both are great and no matter what I think you'll be happy. That said, I'll highlight a few things I don't like about each binding because I think you can learn the benefits of each by researching their respective websites. For the Attack: I don't like how the brake piece requires two screws into the ski. If you rip these brakes out (never happened to me), you might have to remount the ski in another spot depending on what shape the holes are in. For the Pivots: I don't like how pointy the heel piece is - if you ever land back-seat on a cliff drop you're in for a world of hurt. Also, I find that whenever I take my skis off, there is like a 25% chance that the heel piece is either going to rotate or stick up for some reason - making me have to put it back into place before I put my skis back on (actually gets quite annoying). The Pivot brakes are also expensive compared to other brakes ($95 compared to $30-$50). If you break your brakes, or you want to use the same bindings on a different-width ski, you might have to cough up some extra dough. Another potential downside of the pivot is that the heel piece isn't as adjustable as other bindings. Not too sure on the exact specs, but I believe they offer significantly less adjustability than other bindings like the Attack. This only becomes a problem when you try to sell your skis in a few seasons and every potential customer is going to complain that they're going to have to pay to get the bindings remounted to fit their boots. Final con of the pivot is that they are quite pricey. Back when you could find Pivots for $200 - $250 I was way more stoked on them, but now that they're in the $300 - $400 I tend to choose alternatives if buying new (I think the price just jumped because of hype, not from advances in technology). Re-reading this it sounds like a big anti-Pivot post, but I will say that when skiing they are probably the best performing bindings on the market - they just have these downsides that I don't think get mentioned enough. My personal favorite binding is the STH family. Hope this helps!

 

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[Paul.]

I think I’ve made up my mind. I’m going to sit and think on it for about a day, but I’m most likely gonna order some pivot 15s to my local rei soon. Thank you for the breakdown.

as of now, the concept of safer ejection and just overall better performance for popping out when you need/don’t need to seems a lot better. Thanks again

$305 usd + free shipping from Corbetts (canadian shop)
https://www.corbetts.com/2022-look-pivot-15-gw-ski-bindings/

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2021 at 8:22:10pm

 

[invalid]

Still can’t decide what I want lol. Thank you though.

$305 usd + free shipping from Corbetts (canadian shop)
https://www.corbetts.com/2022-look-pivot-15-gw-ski-bindings/

**This post was edited on Nov 7th 2021 at 8:22:10pm

 

[mnosbod]

Stuck between attack 14s 95MM and pivot 15s 95MM.

few things - I’m going to be using this setup for literally everything this year, park, big mountain, cliffs, jumps, groomers whatever else the fuck there is.

im worried about the things I hear about the brakes breaking off, especially since I’ll have to bend both to fit the 101 width on my skis.

would love to hear y’all’s on opinion

If you're worried about bending the brakes don't. You will literally not have to bend the brakes at all to fit the wildcat 101. I have Pivot 15s with 95 brakes on my Jeffrey 108s and did not have to bend the brakes much at all. If price isn't an issue get the pivots. I love my attack 13s but the feel of pivot 15s is better. They feel rock solid from the moment you step in and ski really well. Plus if you ever want to go the alpine touring route you can always add the cast system to your setup later

 

[WoFIowz]

Bro go with attacks if you really don't know. The price is less than half but quality is great. The attacks are aesthetically pleasing too. I have pivots on two skis and attacks on another. The biggest problem is they have literally no adjustability on pivots (5-6mm) so in some cases you could even be looking at a remount if you get boots in the same size but different brand so different bsl. Also if you ever sell or buy skis used with pivots you're looking at a remount unless ur super lucky. After 5 years with pivots I'll likely be buying attacks to put on my next set of skis.

The white or blue attacks would look sick on those skis btw.

 

[muffMan.]

Why not pivot 14s?

Stuck between attack 14s 95MM and pivot 15s 95MM.

few things - I’m going to be using this setup for literally everything this year, park, big mountain, cliffs, jumps, groomers whatever else the fuck there is.

im worried about the things I hear about the brakes breaking off, especially since I’ll have to bend both to fit the 101 width on my skis.

would love to hear y’all’s on opinion

 

[invalid]

That’s what I was thinking, the skis are supposed to get here tmrw and I might just get em mounted ASAP at REI with the attack 14s in black/gray

Bro go with attacks if you really don't know. The price is less than half but quality is great. The attacks are aesthetically pleasing too. I have pivots on two skis and attacks on another. The biggest problem is they have literally no adjustability on pivots (5-6mm) so in some cases you could even be looking at a remount if you get boots in the same size but different brand so different bsl. Also if you ever sell or buy skis used with pivots you're looking at a remount unless ur super lucky. After 5 years with pivots I'll likely be buying attacks to put on my next set of skis.

The white or blue attacks would look sick on those skis btw.

 

[WoFIowz]

That’s what I was thinking, the skis are supposed to get here tmrw and I might just get em mounted ASAP at REI with the attack 14s in black/gray

Regardless of what you do, there's really no wrong choice between these two so don't feel regret if you go attacks

 

[muffMan.]

Fr, OP I’m just going with pivots for the looks but attacks are killer bindings too

Regardless of what you do, there's really no wrong choice between these two so don't feel regret if you go attacks

 

[invalid]

Just went for it and bought the attack 14s in black/grey. I’m just too hype to get on my new skis lol

Fr, OP I’m just going with pivots for the looks but attacks are killer bindings too

 

[SofaKingSick]

nice dude, you're set. don't stress over your decision for one second, you were choosing between 2 excellent choices, there was no losing play at that point. enjoy em and have fun!

 

[invalid]

Thanks dude. Now to figure how I want em mounted

nice dude, you're set. don't stress over your decision for one second, you were choosing between 2 excellent choices, there was no losing play at that point. enjoy em and have fun!

 

[SofaKingSick]

to help summarize for someone who might read this in the future and are on the fence:

they're the 2 go-to bindings around here and they've earned their rep. go with pivots unless cost or weight is a priority for you, in which case get attacks. if that doesn't decide if for you, choose which one looks better to you. don't stress over it

 

[SofaKingSick]

Thanks dude. Now to figure how I want em mounted

moment is a very ""progressive,"" finger-on-the-pulse brand so they're a company whose mount point recommendations i'd trust. but one of their dudes [tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] is on here and is really chill and helpful, maybe he'll stop by and chime in for you

 

[hot.pocket]

im worried about the things I hear about the brakes breaking off, especially since I’ll have to bend both to fit the 101 width on my skis.

You shouldn't have to bend the brakes at all to fit the 101's, all brakes run fairly wide especially the pivots. They'll slot over the 101's beautifully with zero additional work.

I’m going to be using this setup for literally everything this year, park, big mountain, cliffs, jumps, groomers whatever else the fuck there is.

Thanks dude. Now to figure how I want em mounted

Shop consensus is as follows:

All mountain / big mountain: rec line of -5cm from true center [large center triangle on the left sidewall of each ski]

Mix of all mountain / park: -3cm from true center [the triangle closest to the tips of the ski]

Park only: -2cm from true center [I believe this is directly above the "E" in the MOMENT logo to the left of all the triangles, measure twice drill once]

moment is a very ""progressive,"" finger-on-the-pulse brand so they're a company whose mount point recommendations i'd trust. but one of their dudes [tag=144811]@hot.pocket[/tag] is on here and is really chill and helpful, maybe he'll stop by and chime in for you

Me at this point of the season:

But for real appreciate the tag so I could stop by.

 

[SofaKingSick]

Me at this point of the season:

But for real appreciate the tag so I could stop by.

no good deed goes unpunished!

 

[invalid]

Sweet, sounds like -3cm is the way to go. Appreciate the info and you stopping by.

You shouldn't have to bend the brakes at all to fit the 101's, all brakes run fairly wide especially the pivots. They'll slot over the 101's beautifully with zero additional work.

Shop consensus is as follows:

All mountain / big mountain: rec line of -5cm from true center [large center triangle on the left sidewall of each ski]

Mix of all mountain / park: -3cm from true center [the triangle closest to the tips of the ski]

Park only: -2cm from true center [I believe this is directly above the "E" in the MOMENT logo to the left of all the triangles, measure twice drill once]

Me at this point of the season:

But for real appreciate the tag so I could stop by.

 

[invalid]

Also, got a dumb question for ya. When I bring em in, do I just tell the techs I want em mounted at -3cm from true center?

You shouldn't have to bend the brakes at all to fit the 101's, all brakes run fairly wide especially the pivots. They'll slot over the 101's beautifully with zero additional work.

Shop consensus is as follows:

All mountain / big mountain: rec line of -5cm from true center [large center triangle on the left sidewall of each ski]

Mix of all mountain / park: -3cm from true center [the triangle closest to the tips of the ski]

Park only: -2cm from true center [I believe this is directly above the "E" in the MOMENT logo to the left of all the triangles, measure twice drill once]

Me at this point of the season:

But for real appreciate the tag so I could stop by.

 

[hot.pocket]

Also, got a dumb question for ya. When I bring em in, do I just tell the techs I want em mounted at -3cm from true center?

Quick disclaimer, while we put the same stamp on every ski model, they are not all in the same spot on the ski, so the info below is exclusively for the Wildcat 101, which mounts at -5cm from true center. This is gonna be an overkill of an explanation, but overkill is underrated.

If you want to mount at -3cm from true center on the Wildcat 101, tell the shop techs that you want boot center over the farthest left triangles, or the ones inside the blue box in the photo below.

For every ski, the large center triangle denotes our recommended boot center mount position. Each triangle to the left and right denote +/- 1 and 2 cm from rec.

So for example, on the Wildcat 101, the triangles denote these locations:

Farthest left triangle: -3cm from true center (+2cm from rec)

Second from the left: -4cm from true center (+1cm from rec)

Big middle fucker: -5cm from true center (rec line)

Second from the right: -6cm from true center (-1cm from rec)

Farthest right triangle: -7cm from true center (-2cm from rec)