I thought the JJ's were just fine in everything. a LITTLE squirly at very high speeds in crud but if you're on nice groomed trails i liked them just fine. no issues going super fast and laying down nice turns, they're easy to spin around and slide and such cause the rocker and where i've skied them I never lost grip cause of a lack of edge contact. If I lived out west, i'd own a pair for sure. I ski these for a couple days every year out of choice when I go to CO to ski.