Are you thinking buying a Cochise or a Zero G?

[ModMommy]

Wait a year. Seriously. I've personally done a warranty on five pairs of boots. Their metal on metal walk mode seems to be breaking off, or forces the boot to become stuck in walk mode. I know the 27.5 had a faulty mold, but now it's happening on women's boots too. Anyways, you might be fine, this is a PSA.

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**This thread was edited on Dec 30th 2016 at 10:24:30am

 

[a_pla5tic_bag]

Did you also have issues with Mach1 boots?

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Did you also have issues with Mach1 boots?

Seeing as it has no walk-mode, I doubt it.

Good to know about this though, I've heard rumors about the 27.5s, but the fact that it seems to happen to all is not a good sign.

Glad I went with Mtn Labs now.

 

[ModMommy]

Did you also have issues with Mach1 boots?

No. Mach 1 is one of my faces for a high instep, with no walk mode. It's just an issue with the walk mode.

 

[ModMommy]

Seeing as it has no walk-mode, I doubt it.

Good to know about this though, I've heard rumors about the 27.5s, but the fact that it seems to happen to all is not a good sign.

Glad I went with Mtn Labs now.

I'm sure next year they will be amazing!!! I seriously like the shape of them, if it wasn't for the walk mode messing up they'd be great!

 

[ggfski42]

I have last years Cochise 130's (orange shell with blue buckles.) Are these having the same problem?

 

[ModMommy]

I have last years Cochise 130's (orange shell with blue buckles.) Are these having the same problem?

Not that I'm aware of. It's just this winter's models.

 

[.[sanhedrin].]

Have you seen any issues with the new QST boots from Salomon (particularly the pro 120)? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on them. Thanks.

 

[ModMommy]

.]Have you seen any issues with the new QST boots from Salomon (particularly the pro 120)? I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on them. Thanks.

Their liners are stupid that's my only complaint. If they for your foot, then spring for it! Walk mode hasn't had issues to my knowledge.

 

[.[sanhedrin].]

With the new integration of the tongue with the liner have you seen anyone swap it out in favor of an Intuition?

 

[ModMommy]

.]With the new integration of the tongue with the liner have you seen anyone swap it out in favor of an Intuition?

Not yet! The boot is a 4 piece design, with walk mode so wrap liners aren't favored. You'd need to put a lace up or your style in it.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

Not yet! The boot is a 4 piece design, with walk mode so wrap liners aren't favored. You'd need to put a lace up or your style in it.

I wish intuition made a wrap-style liner that worked well with a walkmode. Apparently the new Dalbello AT boot (believe the Carbon version) has one?

 

[ModMommy]

I wish intuition made a wrap-style liner that worked well with a walkmode. Apparently the new Dalbello AT boot (believe the Carbon version) has one?

The lupo series has a wrap liner.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

The lupo series has a wrap liner.

I heard somewhere (could be wrong) that the wrap liner in the Lupo TI is made in such a manner that it works well with a walkmode and differs from the normal warp liner. Is that right?

 

[ModMommy]

I heard somewhere (could be wrong) that the wrap liner in the Lupo TI is made in such a manner that it works well with a walkmode and differs from the normal warp liner. Is that right?

I've never heard that? The Lupo walk mode isn;t a true tour walk mode though- it lets you walk but isn't meant for long tours.

 

[.MASSHOLE.]

I've never heard that? The Lupo walk mode isn;t a true tour walk mode though- it lets you walk but isn't meant for long tours.

It's what I heard somewhere so I have ZERO idea bout the validity. But the website, when you scroll down, says this about the liner.

LINER I.D. MAX - HIKE

• No-Tongue Overlapping Design

• Factory Pre-Formed for step in

• 100% Custom Heat Moldable Ultralon® EVA Foam

• HD/MD Laminate

[img=]http://www.dalbello.it/images/cache/c/6/c/b/2/c6cb2bb5a3abcb82f57a0e0ecdd413dd318a0961.png?cae0930[/img]

Looks like a PW design with a cutout of the heel to allow for flexion.

 

[cydwhit]

I've never heard that? The Lupo walk mode isn;t a true tour walk mode though- it lets you walk but isn't meant for long tours.

Can we please just come up with a new name for this sort of "walk" mode?

Personally I prefer K2's phrasing: "Apres Mode"

And really interesting to hear Sammi, thanks for posting. I'm bugging our reviewers in these boots to keep an eye on that walk mode.

 

[ModMommy]

Can we please just come up with a new name for this sort of "walk" mode?

Personally I prefer K2's phrasing: "Apres Mode"

And really interesting to hear Sammi, thanks for posting. I'm bugging our reviewers in these boots to keep an eye on that walk mode.

Seriously!! It super frustrating because it allows for SOME cuff movement but not a whole lot. Apres Mode is more like it.

 

[.[sanhedrin].]

At what ° ROM would you no longer consider it an apres ski? 40°= Walk ??

 

[ModMommy]

.]At what ° ROM would you no longer consider it an apres ski? 40°= Walk ??

I really think after 42* you start to notice a difference. My boot has 74* for example.

 

[tomPietrowski]

Personally I prefer K2's phrasing: "Apres Mode"

if you need more then apres mode you are not drinking enough

 

[onenerdykid]

.]At what ° ROM would you no longer consider it an apres ski? 40°= Walk ??

When talking about ROM, there are some important distinctions to make/be aware of.

1. does the mechanism actually lock the cuff and shell together, or does it merely prevent rearward cuff movement? Many alpine brand's boots function like this, and they ski poorly as a result. Definitely more of an "apres" mode.

2. most companies measure their total possible cuff ROM by forcing the cuff beyond any realistic or achievable position while actually touring. For example, some brands claim 40° but once you put a liner and leg in the boot you can barely get more than 20°. If any of you have tried on different models side-by-side, you'll know what I mean.

3. while total cuff ROM is cool to talk about, what's more important is the quality of that movement. A brand might legitimately offer 50° but if the cuff slides up and down a metal bar or if the cuff rivets are pressed together too tightly, then it will feel like garbage or at least robotic.

My boot has 74* for example.

One of the goals of Backland was to make sure we addressed each of the above points. And make it fully serviceable & easily replaceable should anything go wrong.

 

[ModMommy]

When talking about ROM, there are some important distinctions to make/be aware of.

1. does the mechanism actually lock the cuff and shell together, or does it merely prevent rearward cuff movement? Many alpine brand's boots function like this, and they ski poorly as a result. Definitely more of an "apres" mode.

2. most companies measure their total possible cuff ROM by forcing the cuff beyond any realistic or achievable position while actually touring. For example, some brands claim 40° but once you put a liner and leg in the boot you can barely get more than 20°. If any of you have tried on different models side-by-side, you'll know what I mean.

3. while total cuff ROM is cool to talk about, what's more important is the quality of that movement. A brand might legitimately offer 50° but if the cuff slides up and down a metal bar or if the cuff rivets are pressed together too tightly, then it will feel like garbage or at least robotic.

One of the goals of Backland was to make sure we addressed each of the above points. And make it fully serviceable & easily replaceable should anything go wrong.

Glad you jumped in here to clarify ROM!!

 

[kirbstopper]

I've never heard that? The Lupo walk mode isn;t a true tour walk mode though- it lets you walk but isn't meant for long tours.

The carbon version of the lupo has a great walk mode without the tongue. It is very different to the alpine lupo. Even with the tongue still in it is a much better walk mode than the alpine lupo. It is most definitely a true tour walk mode. I have been using it for months now. It even has great ROM with a intuition power wrap.

 

[ModMommy]

The carbon version of the lupo has a great walk mode without the tongue. It is very different to the alpine lupo. Even with the tongue still in it is a much better walk mode than the alpine lupo. It is most definitely a true tour walk mode. I have been using it for months now. It even has great ROM with a intuition power wrap.

The carbon is a whole different beast. It's not very common in the US market (or at least where I am) I'm excited to see dalbellos changes at SIA. Hopefully the TI gets a little better.

 

[gfrohman]

I am pretty sure tecnica is scrapping the metal to metal hike mode boot after the 2017 models. They are switching to a hard plastic that is supposed to be more durable.

 

[CheddarJack]

The carbon version of the lupo has a great walk mode without the tongue. It is very different to the alpine lupo. Even with the tongue still in it is a much better walk mode than the alpine lupo. It is most definitely a true tour walk mode. I have been using it for months now. It even has great ROM with a intuition power wrap.

The carbon is a whole different beast. It's not very common in the US market (or at least where I am) I'm excited to see dalbellos changes at SIA. Hopefully the TI gets a little better.

Both the carbons and SP/TIs have buckle extenders that let you buckle them super loose, which is close to being able to remove the tongue on the carbon and is certainly better than just unbuckling. Not sure what you mean by them being "very different"? Other than (easily) being able to remove the tongue, they're practically the same system if I'm not mistaken.

Source: I have the SPs and some friends have the carbons.

 

[kirbstopper]

Both the carbons and SP/TIs have buckle extenders that let you buckle them super loose, which is close to being able to remove the tongue on the carbon and is certainly better than just unbuckling. Not sure what you mean by them being "very different"? Other than (easily) being able to remove the tongue, they're practically the same system if I'm not mistaken.

Source: I have the SPs and some friends have the carbons.

The spine on the carbon. Has a bigger notch below the walk mode lever allowing it to fully clear the lower shell in regards to rearwards ROM. And also having the toungue out and buckles tight. Not on the extenders allows for a full walk ode with a secure foot in the liner, much different feeling than buckles loose with toungue in.

Source: I have modded SP with pin binding holes and carbon version. And they tour very differently on the same setup.