Are there any other adapters besides Daymakers?
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isaacwrong
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some ratchet alpine trekkers can be found on facebook marketplace, ebay craigslist etc. Some people exploit their price but you shouldn't pay over 100 for those imo
armchair_skier
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If you have pivots, cast. End.
SlitherySnake
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14236910:armchair_skier said:
don't even have an AT setup or pivots but from what i've seen of the cast system I have no clue why you would do anything else. Insanely simple and looks pretty light for long touring days, plus all the benefits of a very solid binding that's a favorite among freestyle skiers so you can take it in the park if you want to and it'll hold together
love to see people bash them for the price point when they havent used them nor alternatives...
Medicine
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In europe the old school bca alpine trekkers sell for between 20-30 euro used. I got some initially for early season rock ski touring and they're not nearly as bad as people say.
Pro's:
-Cheap
-works for any boot-binding size
-they tour similar to heavy frame bindings
-cheap
-you can throw them in your bag and do a short lil tour (1200 ft?) Or if it's early season and snow is good and you're hyped you can go for a bit longer tours (4000 ft?)
-good if a (fit) friend wants to tag along on a mellow tour, way better than snowshoes
Cons
-transitions are slower than any frame or tech binding. Probably a bit slower than cast too but that margin is negligible
-changing boot sole length and getting the adjustmen right takes a while. Lots of screws to be screwed and unscrewed each time
-if you dont adjust properly they can pop out. Even if you do they might still every once in a while.
-no bueno for hard snow unless you're going straight up
-heel risers are hard to actuate with your pole
-obviously it's gonna be heavy. They're not that heavy themselves but most alpine bindings are already pretty heavy. Otoh, i think some aatacks with these are lighter than guardians so theres that.
-stand height can be uncomfortable if it's flat
In conclusion:
For the right price they're worth it if you have lots of skis or want to go for some early season pow tour or short tours near the resort.
I have skis with shifts and with frame bindings, i stopped using these cause if i want to go touring ill take the shifts and if im not doing a full day ill take the trekkers. To the point that im probably going to remount the skis with alpine bindings.
For 100 I would still consider them for my use case, but it's a tougher sell than 30. Btw you can often find some on wepowder dot nl
Pro's:
-Cheap
-works for any boot-binding size
-they tour similar to heavy frame bindings
-cheap
-you can throw them in your bag and do a short lil tour (1200 ft?) Or if it's early season and snow is good and you're hyped you can go for a bit longer tours (4000 ft?)
-good if a (fit) friend wants to tag along on a mellow tour, way better than snowshoes
Cons
-transitions are slower than any frame or tech binding. Probably a bit slower than cast too but that margin is negligible
-changing boot sole length and getting the adjustmen right takes a while. Lots of screws to be screwed and unscrewed each time
-if you dont adjust properly they can pop out. Even if you do they might still every once in a while.
-no bueno for hard snow unless you're going straight up
-heel risers are hard to actuate with your pole
-obviously it's gonna be heavy. They're not that heavy themselves but most alpine bindings are already pretty heavy. Otoh, i think some aatacks with these are lighter than guardians so theres that.
-stand height can be uncomfortable if it's flat
In conclusion:
For the right price they're worth it if you have lots of skis or want to go for some early season pow tour or short tours near the resort.
I have skis with shifts and with frame bindings, i stopped using these cause if i want to go touring ill take the shifts and if im not doing a full day ill take the trekkers. To the point that im probably going to remount the skis with alpine bindings.
For 100 I would still consider them for my use case, but it's a tougher sell than 30. Btw you can often find some on wepowder dot nl
Ok I'm going on a rant now, but I hate when people in these threads just always end up talking about CAST, shifts, Duke PT and so on... Can't you understand that no, some people do NOT have boots with insert? (and getting them sent to CAST is geographically or financially NOT an option) I did go through countless threads about adapters or daymakers, and you can bet there's always someone talking about cast in them. It's like the "get full tilt" of touring but first degree...
So yes, we get it it's worse than insert, yes cast is a no brainer, yes "but for longer tours" but no, personally I don't have, nor won't spend, the money for it if I've been touring just once in my life. 300+$ for daymakers is a LOT cheaper than a dedicated 1000$+ AT boots, bindings and skis setup, and let's not even talk about getting CAST on top of it.
And I think if OP is asking for adapters it means he doesn't have boots with inserts, otherwise I guess he'd already know what bindings options are available on the market and maybe, just maybe, he would've asked for "tech bindings" in the title id...
So yes, we get it it's worse than insert, yes cast is a no brainer, yes "but for longer tours" but no, personally I don't have, nor won't spend, the money for it if I've been touring just once in my life. 300+$ for daymakers is a LOT cheaper than a dedicated 1000$+ AT boots, bindings and skis setup, and let's not even talk about getting CAST on top of it.
And I think if OP is asking for adapters it means he doesn't have boots with inserts, otherwise I guess he'd already know what bindings options are available on the market and maybe, just maybe, he would've asked for "tech bindings" in the title id...
gilbertressel
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14237158:SPK_ said:
I'm on my first season with the Daymakers and no complaints so far. Live in New England so lots of shorter tours, done the Sherburne and Thunderbolt trails this season so far. Don't have any experience with tech bindings, so no point of comparison there. The Daymakers can be tough when it gets steep, and downhill sections feel a little awkward due to how high you are off the ski but it's never been an issue. Biggest issue in my mind is having a pack big enough to store them for the way down. I have a 20L bag that fits them fine if I pack light (nalgene, snacks, one extra layer). Definitely need a bigger bag to fit them with avy gear.
Bottom line: bought them so I could try touring without spending $1000+ on skis, boots, bindings. Happy with them for my use case but understand their limitations for pushing into bigger days.
Bottom line: bought them so I could try touring without spending $1000+ on skis, boots, bindings. Happy with them for my use case but understand their limitations for pushing into bigger days.
Medicine
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14237205:Tucson said:
Dude alternatives have been suggested you're just ignoring them haha
-if you have tiny feet i guess camp startup are an alternative
-if you have adult size feet I'm aware of just 2 touring adapter options: bca alpine trekkers and daymakers
Depending on your use scenario frame bindings are also an option. In this category there are quite a few options, generally heavier ones are burlier.
-guardians are great albeit heavy and tend to snap in half after a while so take that into account.
-The marker barons are too heavy for what they offer, get dukes or f12 instead.
-Dukes if you really really need the burliest possible.
-The f10 f12 tour are not bad if you're not hucking your meat (they're basically squires).
-Tyrolia adrenalins are pretty nice, best balance between (hard)skiability and weight imo.
-tyrolia ambition are light and actually tour pretty well but they're not the nicest ride down
Medicine
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Learn to fucking read
-BCA Alpine Trekkers
-Camp Startup if you're a kid, which you very well could be with your reading comprehension.
-Daymakers
That's it. Maybe there's some underground brand I'm unaware of. Alpine Trekkers are cheap, I've posted a full fucking review in this thread to help you, Daymakers are better but expensive.
Since the list is basically 2 adapters people start suggesting alternatives such as frame bindings or Cast because maybe you have not considered them, and maybe you should depending on your use case scenario.
If you're trolling good job though I really fell for it?
-BCA Alpine Trekkers
-Camp Startup if you're a kid, which you very well could be with your reading comprehension.
-Daymakers
That's it. Maybe there's some underground brand I'm unaware of. Alpine Trekkers are cheap, I've posted a full fucking review in this thread to help you, Daymakers are better but expensive.
Since the list is basically 2 adapters people start suggesting alternatives such as frame bindings or Cast because maybe you have not considered them, and maybe you should depending on your use case scenario.
If you're trolling good job though I really fell for it?
IanAvery-Leaf
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everyone who hates on Daymakers comes off as a huge hardo...
personally I love mine and don't really fuck with any other solution thats out there rn. I like my boots so I'm not interested in pin toes. I like my skis/pivots how they are so I'm not interested in different bindings/cast system. I don't do heroic tours, so Daymakers are a perfect way to get out and get up when I need to using the equipment I already have and love. Then they disappear into your pack and you get to click into normal alpine bindings at the top, can't beat that
the price is reasonable too for a super small business with low volume, afaik their profit margin is quite slim
Daymakers frequently made my day through the thick of quarantine on Mt Hood before any of the lifts were spinning again, and I'm very grateful for that
personally I love mine and don't really fuck with any other solution thats out there rn. I like my boots so I'm not interested in pin toes. I like my skis/pivots how they are so I'm not interested in different bindings/cast system. I don't do heroic tours, so Daymakers are a perfect way to get out and get up when I need to using the equipment I already have and love. Then they disappear into your pack and you get to click into normal alpine bindings at the top, can't beat that
the price is reasonable too for a super small business with low volume, afaik their profit margin is quite slim
Daymakers frequently made my day through the thick of quarantine on Mt Hood before any of the lifts were spinning again, and I'm very grateful for that
CatdickBojangles
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https://www.daymakertouring.com/pages/4-bar-tech
Here is what makes daymakers better than the trekkers and frame bindings.
Here is what makes daymakers better than the trekkers and frame bindings.