Are edges really that necessary?

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jsnow

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Are they ? I know for racing and icy shit yeah, but for park skiing rails woods bumps are they really needed?
 
well for rails, you could get away with it but everything else you need them. you wanna carve into a jump? edges

you need to speed check so you dont over shoot? edges

wanna spray a gaper? edges
 
I haven't had good edges on my park skis for a few years now and I survive. Skied on my new pair the other day and it was a complete other expirience
 
of course you need edges. Unless you're "skiing" a midwest rail line on a hill with 250ft vert with a rope tow directly alongside the park.

Carving on skis and feeling the energy from the skis push back coming out of a turn feels so fucking good, I can't relate to wanting a ski without edges. I know there are urban skis both made and modified without edges, and I get that (wouldn't want to slide a concrete ledge with sharp edges that's for sure), but otherwise, you're just missing out on so much of what a ski is capable of doing.
 
yes. we made a few skis with no edge for some riders and it creates a chaotic mildly controlled fall down the mountain. They also contribute to making a ski stiff to actually ski .. with no edge you're just looping out even when trying to ollie.
 
Im pretty sure the old moment frankenski had no edges under the binding. Looks like they went back to edges all the way down though. I would have been interested to see how they skied. But you for sure need edges where I ski. That MN glare ice is bad enough on just detuned edges, never mind nothing at all
 
I detune with a file about a dozen times right when I get a set of skis so the edge is totally dull, but the best part of hitting a rail is that steel on steel action, if you know what I'm sayin'.
 
13330221:Line_Skis said:
yes. we made a few skis with no edge for some riders and it creates a chaotic mildly controlled fall down the mountain. They also contribute to making a ski stiff to actually ski .. with no edge you're just looping out even when trying to ollie.
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i want skis that provide a controlled, yet chaotically coordinated descent of a mountain with an effective yet slide-able edge, nose to tail.
 
Most definitely necessary.

My edges are pretty much gone at this point, and it gets pretty miserable on hardpack.
 
really you only need edge at tip and tail if we had the material underfoot that roller blade frames are made out of then they would be perfect for park.

i know signal snowboards made a completly out of the material that side wall is made out of and i guess that worked pretty good. so that could work
 
Snowboarding has definitely tried doing jib boards with no edges that are designed for street specifically. Not sure how it panned out for them, but I've definitely seen this.
 
really depends on what you're doing.

Rails it doesn't matter so much, but would skiing really be fun if you couldn't hold a nice edge, that's like one of my favorite parts of skiing
 
Aside from the other mentioned issues, gripping rails for spins and ski durability are two more reasons that edges are needed.
 
After Salomon released the 1080, I heard rumors they tried removing the edge underfoot. There was very little control that there was no gain in removing it.
 
Need edges especially for jumps. My filthy riches have been beat on for two seasons and are miserable trying to carve off jumps and being playful in tight sections between rails on hard packed snow.
 
You should try it out on some xc skis and see what you think. IME edges are not necessary but given the choice I'd choose edges even for XC.
 
13332463:Casey said:
The Rossi POW AIR GRIND's had a plastic grind plate underfoot. It was terrible.
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I remember a few friends that had those and they said the primary problem was that it didn't feel right. The resistance from the steel on steel I guess gives you a little bit of something that you need.
 
13332463:Casey said:
The Rossi POW AIR GRIND's had a plastic grind plate underfoot. It was terrible.
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Elan did something similar in the early 2000's as well if I remember correctly.
 
what about lines snow blade that had the concave grind plate? shits bad ass
lineweapon.jpg
(best picture i could find)
 
13330581:Mr.Bishop said:
Snowboarding has definitely tried doing jib boards with no edges that are designed for street specifically. Not sure how it panned out for them, but I've definitely seen this.
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I fully detuned my edges (100% round) it's great for everything, I can carve on medium soft snow. I'm comfortable jibbing with little edge but I can't imagine what no edges would be like.
 
13333503:pat_in_the_hat said:
what about lines snow blade that had the concave grind plate? shits bad ass
lineweapon.jpg
(best picture i could find)
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I have a pair of these sitting in the back of my car, I haven't used them yet though so no reports on weather the grind plate feels weird or not.
 
have some on3p's with 3/4 edges underfoot gone. mad noodly now and super fun in slush. definitely safer and more confidence inspiring when they had edges
 
13330371:crawley said:
I detune with a file about a dozen times right when I get a set of skis so the edge is totally dull, but the best part of hitting a rail is that steel on steel action, if you know what I'm sayin'.
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no. nobody gets what you're saying. please shut the fuck up.
 
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