Another e cig thread

El.Guapo

El.Guapo

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If you're gonna be a dick or just rant about how stupid ecigs are without reading my post you can just leave now please. but this might happen in my state.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/03/19/3636142/washington-state-e-cig/http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/03/19/3636142/washington-state-e-cig/

Not gonna lie ill vape every once and a while but I wouldnt care if I couldnt. But I think this bill is stupid. First off, I think its stupid that our government gets to decide what they think is safe for us to do and then regulate the shit out of it. I understand the point, but i dont think they should be able to do that. Also, although ecigs are far from a "safe" alternative to cigarettes, they are safer then lighting up a pack a day. And as far as the whole argument that teens are going to use them, and teens who wouldnt normally smoke cigarettes are going to use them because they are flavored, yeah some will. And as much as I hate all the cape squad douchebags I see, Its not worth ruining a viable alternative to smoking just because some stupid kids think its cool. Plus it seems like more of a fad then a real problem. I think that stores should have to buy the permits and have to card people. But a 95% tax and only being able to sell tobacco flavors would put them all out of business. I think that big tobacco companies are partially behind all this. Getting all the parents riled up about how all their kids are gonna start smoking ecigs because their ecig products you see at gas stations blow dick and they are losing tons of money to all these small time vape shops. Just my opinion. what do you guys think? I'm open for other ideas
 
I think governments need to find ways to bring in more money and putting a high tax on something completely nonessential that we don't completely understand the risks of is a good way to do it.
 
13374334:El_Barto. said:
Inb4 LE SKIING and nicotine isnt addictive
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yeah, from personal experience though ecigs arent addicting, for me atleast. I would vape a few weeks. stop for a couple and so on. and now if i do it'll just be 0 nicotine content. because nicotine is still bad for you, thats why people get heart disease from smoking.
 
13374335:Funkadelic said:
I think governments need to find ways to bring in more money and putting a high tax on something completely nonessential that we don't completely understand the risks of is a good way to do it.
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but its not really non essential. I hate when people smoke cigarettes. It smells bad and they smell bad. atleast with ecigs they wont die as early and it wont smell like shit
 
It's all about profit, if the government really gave a shit about peoples health, smoking would be illegal, but taxing the fuck out of cigs is far too profitable
 
that's ridiculous. for the nicotine argument it's significantly less addictive when vaporized instead of combusted.
 
I have one, I use it frequently. I think it should be looked into by the fda but it certainly shouldn't be banned. What would I do without my cotton candy nic stick
 
I have an e cig and I'm 15, but I would never touch a real cigarette ever. I just have a little shitty one. I don't use it for the flavor I just think it's cool to blow O's and stuff. And if anyone is selling one pm me
 
13374617:Mr.noodle said:
I have an e cig and I'm 15, but I would never touch a real cigarette ever. I just have a little shitty one. I don't use it for the flavor I just think it's cool to blow O's and stuff. And if anyone is selling one pm me
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nark
 
Seems pretty ridiculous, I all for making it 18+, but a 95% tax is crazy, and a ban on flavors is unreasonable. I would like to see the FDA, and other creditable medical research groups to look into the health effects of "vaping", before they start regulating them so strictly.

In general they are better for your health than any tobacco products, and I would way rather see people using them over cigs, although study's have shown nicotine alone to lead to heart disease.

The only complaint I have is that you don't realize how much nicotine you are taking in. I don't regularly smoke cigs, and I'm not going to sit down and smoke a whole pack unless I'm hammered off my ass. But with E-cigs, depending on the nicotine level, each hit can deliver significantly more nicotine. Someone can easily sit down and take in 1, 2 packs worth of nicotine without even realizing it. Because of how convenient, cheap, and smell free "vapes" are, people will use them indoors, in their car, etc.. much more frequently than cigarettes. There is also the fact that they are a safer alternative to cigs, that leads people to using them much more, which in the end could be unsafe.

When I smoke a cig, I realize its bad, and my lungs definitely don't feel great the next morning. Every time I use a E-cig, I end up hitting it every 20-30 seconds for extended periods of time, and I'm always sober. There are a lot of people who only smoke when they are at bars or party's, although when given an E-cig end up using it on a daily/hourly basis.

I don't know how you would easily show the equivalent of nicotine in cigs, through vaping, on the packaging. There are so many variables: Nicotine level in juice, wattage, how long you inhale, even the build of your E-cig if you have a fancy one, I know the coil size/amount of coils has a huge effect. It would be great if they could put it on packaging in a way people easily understood, at least on the throw away gas station ones.

TLDR. People use e-cgis way more than they would use real cigs, and don't realize the nicotine intake.
 
e-cigs are fedora's for your mouth.

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13374334:El_Barto. said:
Inb4 LE SKIING and nicotine isnt addictive
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************************ Unpopular opinion alert ************************

Caution this post may not line up with your personal beliefs.

Anyone can get "addicted" to anything if they are that type of person(look up strange addictions on google). I was merely stating that nicotine by itself doesn't have the addictive properties that I would consider addictive.

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq/nicotine.htm

Reason I believe it's the other shit that's in cigarettes that get people hooked is because I have had trouble quitting cigarettes for quite a long time(tried a few different things that sucked and was costly to keep buying to try and quit something that was almost just as costly) and for the first time I have actually been able to go a day without any nicotine in my eliquid. Which means that now I just have to get rid of the hand to mouth motions(keep in mind this is my own opinion from my own personal experience).

I'm not going to try and change someone's opinion on why they shouldn't mind ecigs, but There are definitely potential benefits of ecigarettes. If you disagree with that then tell that to the many customers that have smoked for 20-40 years without being able to quit and now haven't smoked for over 7 months, even some haven't had a cigarette in years now. One guy that comes in quite regularly has been to his doctor and wants to get updates on his lung status because of all the speculation behind ecigarettes. You want to know what he said his doctor told him? "Keep doing what you're doing cause whatever it is it's working to keep you off of cigarettes and you'r lungs look like they're doing a lot better". This is a guy that smoked for at least 20 years and now no longer smokes cigarettes and has gone down to 6mg nicotine from about 18mg when he started.

The main reason I stand behind ecigarettes so hard is that it has helped me. It's a great tool for people to have in a battle against cigarettes. From what I have read online(feel free to look these statistics up yourself) The Gum, patch, nicorette inhaler, other pills roughly have a success rate of roughly 10%. The success rate for ecigarettes is sitting around 65%. To me it comes down to the statistics.

Just for the hell of it check out this article(The title of the article is "I don't like ecigarettes") link: https://medium.com/@CoffeeGeek/i-don-t-like-e-cigarettes-764ee8c96421

On the subject of extra taxes on ecigarettes and ban on all flavors outside of tobacco is stupid. I'm an adult and I like vaping flavors that have nothing to do with tobacco. I believe in regulation in that part though as in not being able to use certain flavoring in eliquid. By that I mean look up Diacetyl(there are also other known unsafe chemicals used for flavoring). Some liquids use this(diacetyl) chemical as a flavor(most typically used as a butter flavor in food products).

My point is that we have a chance to make something way more safer than smoking and rather than slap on blanket laws/taxes where some IMO are unwarranted.

I should say that I don't think eCigarettes are completely safe and come without any risks, but look at the whole picture. What now a days doesn't come with any risk. You have to stop and think of whether the potential benefits out weigh the risk(I know this might sound like a sales pitch, but it's not meant to be).

Also, on the topic of your thoughts regarding the tobacco companies starting to take control I completely agree with you. It's not just the Tobacco companies, but also the government. Think about the amount of taxes the government makes off of cigarettes alone(I believe if I remember correctly the year 2013 the Canadian government got about $5 billion in tobacco taxes alone). I know it sounds like a stupid conspiracy theory, but is it really that hard to believe that the governments are corrupt?

Prime example: For years the US Had marijuana classified as a schedule 1 narcotic(still is actually classed this way). For those that aren't aware what that means.

(this is taken straight from "here")

"Schedule I drugs are those that have the following characteristic according to the United States Drug Enforcement Agency:

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical treatmentuse in the U.S.

There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or substance under medical supervision.

No prescriptions may be written for Schedule I substances, and they are not readily available for clinical use.

NOTE: Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC, marijuana) is still considered a Schedule 1 drug by the DEA, even though some U.S. states have legalized marijuana for personal, recreational use or for medical use."

If marijuana has no medical use, tell that to the people who use it to prevent themselves from having 10-12 seizures daily.

(Sorry for the topic shift I just used that as an example of a time the government shut something out because of someone's personal opinion not backed up by true scientific research.)

Also I just have to add this two little tiny things before I go.

http://timesnewz24.com/news/40-e-cigarette-kills-first-victim-after-teen-boy-dies-from-lung-cancer.html

After looking at the above link look at the link below:

http://www.grimmgreen.com/post/111901801238/did-a-man-really-die-from-lung-cancer-caused-by

Still don't think there are misleading articles out there about ecigarettes?
 
13375666:Nep.Tuna said:
i absolutely LOVE walking through clouds of bubblegum cotton candy just before I go into a building for class, its fucking great let me tell you
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holy fuck yes. almost would rather take the stink of cigarettes than feel sick to my stomach because of your sickly sweet vape juice
 
13574034:nocturnal said:
I have been saying forever they are badhttp://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2015/12/popcorn-lung-seen-in-e-cigarette-smokers/?

now that being said idc what people do just dont tell me they are healthy you want to vape than vape.
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I don't think ecigs are healthy by any stretch of the imagination, however I believe this is just another scare tactic article. Most liquid makers don't even make Diacetyl flavored juices any more. There probably are some that do, but as long as you stay away form buttery or creamy flavors you should probably be fine. Personally I don't like those types of flavors anyway. lol

(because I feel like I need to add it, I normally vape menthol as a flavor, and my coils typically last months at a time because there isn't any residue left over after being vaped. Most people need to change their coils once a week, I do not however and I feel that means it's a cleaner vapor?)

Also feel I need to add this here too. You can get eLiquid without Nicotine and just THC or CBD...

http://liquidweed.org/thc-e-liquid/

And for the sake of argument I don't want to smoke my ecig for the rest of my life, however if I feel like I'm craving a cigarette I'm going to pick up my ecig instead because I know it will fix the craving, and I know that it won't do as much damage as quickly as cigarettes will (I mean, as far as I know from personal experience). Last time I had a cigarette I felt gross for the remainder of the day.

Not trying to change anyone's opinions of ecigarettes, just trying to speak from my own personal experiences. I definitely think that if someone doesn't smoke cigarettes they shouldn't just get an ecig for the sake of doing it just because it "looks cool". lol I also definitely agree with the age restriction laws(not that it's ever even a question).

I think the most important part of having suitable laws for both parties is to try and meet somewhere in the middle. I disagree with any law that limit's an ecigarette user to the same areas as smokers because it's basically like taking someone who is going to AA and banning them from holding their AA meetings anywhere but in a bar on a Saturday night.

sorry for the bit of a rant, we are getting new laws here that basically are forcing people to smoke even if they don't want to.

The video below shows the difference between Vapor and Cigarette smoke.

************WARNING: IF YOU LOVE ANIMALS DO NOT WATCH THIS.******************

I personally find this video is cruel and unnecessary, but the results are kind of important. They show how eCig vapor isn't the same as tobacco smoke. (side note: at least there was a gap at the top that was supposed to allow oxygen into the bottles containing the mice.)


The video shows the effects of Cigarette smoke Vs. Vapor from an eCigarette on mice.
 
I have tried many times to quit cigs. Been smoking for 14 years.

Every time I switch to the vape my lungs and breathing feel better within 24hrs.

Vaping for no reason I think is dumb, I agree we look dumb doing it, but the benefits for me are worth it, my ultimate goal is to quit cigs and quit vaping.

I get my e-liquid from a vape snob style shop, they mix their own juice and it has 3 ingredients. Cigs contain over 4000 chemicals. Believe whatever bs article want. I trust my body and the improvements I feel over any government founded or cig company funded article any day.
 
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