AHH ALPINA! actually depending on the model they arn't too bad. just cheap where they come from b/c the american dollar is held very high there. i wouldn't go lower than the c7, (challenger 7.0?) i dont remember much of the brand, the shop i do stuff with is an alpina dealer. the 'edge' (e10, expert 10.0) is actually a pretty damn good race boot. but if they are free, i would ride them.