I'd just like to say i love my abangs. Ive had them for almost 4 years and wrecked the hell out of them(skiing on snow, ice, grass, rock, metal, concrete, gravel, stairs, throwing them across the parking lot, everything) and they are still doing fine. as of the last couple times i have lost all the edge in my tips and tails but this makes no difference to how they ride. I ski about 4 times a week and this last year ive smashed the hell out of the skis just to see how durable they are now that ive gotten my money out of them. yes they are pretty rough now but they are great skis