Advantages of Pivot Binding

PissWizard69

PissWizard69

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I just started to notice an increase in popularity with pivot bindings. What advantages do they provide, and do they perform better in the park compared to more traditional bindings?
 
Convential binding heals only have vertical release where the toe has horizontal release, so with the pivot having horizontal and vertical release you can crank your dins higher with know that the binding will still release since you have more angles of release with pivots. Allowing a more reliable and consistent release when actually crashing while technically popping out less due to a little bit added elasticity that the heel pivot gives you
 
14248272:zeke.oblique said:
Convential binding heals only have vertical release where the toe has horizontal release, so with the pivot having horizontal and vertical release you can crank your dins higher with know that the binding will still release since you have more angles of release with pivots. Allowing a more reliable and consistent release when actually crashing while technically popping out less due to a little bit added elasticity that the heel pivot gives you
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So basically pivots are better for park skiing, as they wouldnt release as easily if you knock your ski off of a feature as opposed to a conventional binding that would pop under the same circumstances?
 
14248278:PissWizard69 said:
So basically pivots are better for park skiing, as they wouldnt release as easily if you knock your ski off of a feature as opposed to a conventional binding that would pop under the same circumstances?
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yes
 
14248272:zeke.oblique said:
Convential binding heals only have vertical release where the toe has horizontal release, so with the pivot having horizontal and vertical release you can crank your dins higher with know that the binding will still release since you have more angles of release with pivots. Allowing a more reliable and consistent release when actually crashing while technically popping out less due to a little bit added elasticity that the heel pivot gives you
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Pivot does not have horizontal release.
 
14248295:Session said:
Pivot does not have horizontal release.
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What I mean by that is that if your foot is twisting enough, then the heel piece can release by the turntable without the spring releasing, so to me that's horizontal release
 
14248302:zeke.oblique said:
What I mean by that is that if your foot is twisting enough, then the heel piece can release by the turntable without the spring releasing, so to me that's horizontal release
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Again....no.

It actually prevents any chance that your heel can move laterally during a twisting release.
 
14248272:zeke.oblique said:
Convential binding heals only have vertical release where the toe has horizontal release, so with the pivot having horizontal and vertical release you can crank your dins higher with know that the binding will still release since you have more angles of release with pivots. Allowing a more reliable and consistent release when actually crashing while technically popping out less due to a little bit added elasticity that the heel pivot gives you
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This is entirely incorrect. The idea behind having more elasticity built into a binding is so that you can run your DIN setting *lower*, because the boot can move further from centre without ejecting. With a binding with less elasticity, you're relying more on spring preload (basically what changing your DIN is actually doing) to prevent the boot from blowing past that limit of elasticity. Or to put it another way, on a binding with 20mm of elasticity, the spring needs to be strong enough to hold you within that 20mm range without releasing. On a binding with 40mm of elasticity, the spring doesn't need to hold you in as tightly because the boot can move further and still remain attached to the ski. The whole entire reason Pivot heelpieces are so great, is that they have the greatest amount of heel elasticity, and the shortest screw hole pattern. The amount of misinformation out there, even coming from Rossi reps and guys working in shops, is mind boggling.
 
14248720:ethanshredz said:
This is entirely incorrect. The idea behind having more elasticity built into a binding is so that you can run your DIN setting *lower*, because the boot can move further from centre without ejecting. With a binding with less elasticity, you're relying more on spring preload (basically what changing your DIN is actually doing) to prevent the boot from blowing past that limit of elasticity. Or to put it another way, on a binding with 20mm of elasticity, the spring needs to be strong enough to hold you within that 20mm range without releasing. On a binding with 40mm of elasticity, the spring doesn't need to hold you in as tightly because the boot can move further and still remain attached to the ski. The whole entire reason Pivot heelpieces are so great, is that they have the greatest amount of heel elasticity, and the shortest screw hole pattern. The amount of misinformation out there, even coming from Rossi reps and guys working in shops, is mind boggling.
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Yea I kinda just assumed lmao
 
14248302:zeke.oblique said:
What I mean by that is that if your foot is twisting enough, then the heel piece can release by the turntable without the spring releasing, so to me that's horizontal release
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That ain’t horizontal release chief ??? doesn’t matte if it is, “to you,” or not, it ain’t horizontal release lmao
 
I originally came here just to say cause they look dope.

14248976:OhJay said:
People also like the low stack height and short mounting distance.
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Then I read this ^

pivots aren’t known for their low stack height, attaaks are.
 
Pivots have the lowest ramp angle, the most heel elasticity, the shortest mount pattern, some of the most toe elasticity (with an upward release on the 15/18 too), one of the lowest stack heights and the 15/18 are full metal construction which usually makes them last a while.
 
I bought them and initially assumed all these things about heel release when I was younger.

But after having used them, I’ve noticed that they keep me in the binding and I’m never worried about pre-releases.

Get kicked out of a few bindings on impact and you’ll start valuing that.
 
14249259:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
I bought them and initially assumed all these things about heel release when I was younger.

But after having used them, I’ve noticed that they keep me in the binding and I’m never worried about pre-releases.

Get kicked out of a few bindings on impact and you’ll start valuing that.
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Exactly the problem im having. Thats why i was wondering if they are worth buying or not
 
Pivots are great for retention and preventing pre release, if it’s a ski I spin, butter hit big drops I want pivots

14249301:PissWizard69 said:
Exactly the problem im having. Thats why i was wondering if they are worth buying or not
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They are. Only time I can think of, in recent memory, when I popped out was when it was literally mashed potatoes Aussie snow. I was on some skinnier skis and I dove in and stuck. Heels popped out and saved me. Heels were down as if I never even stepped in lol

14249301:PissWizard69 said:
Exactly the problem im having. Thats why i was wondering if they are worth buying or not
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This video illustrates why horizontal release from the heel with pivots isn't a thing. The video was created in the context of knee bindings but they do a decent job of explaining horizontal release using a pivot as an example.

 
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