illadelphlife
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According to Steven Hawking....
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theBearJew
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Well you took this idea from the curiosity show last week. Cool show IMO.
But he compared the creation of our universe, big bang, to protons that "simply" just appear and disappear. Very interesting thought Hawking. Now I am sure he thought about this as well, but if our universe just appeared out of nowhere like a proton does, is it possible to say that our universe could "simply" disappear like a proton also does?
Also even if it does appear and disappear, would we even notice it? Has it happened yet already and we just don't know.. Or could it be happening and splitting into parallel universes?
Put that in your think pot.
But he compared the creation of our universe, big bang, to protons that "simply" just appear and disappear. Very interesting thought Hawking. Now I am sure he thought about this as well, but if our universe just appeared out of nowhere like a proton does, is it possible to say that our universe could "simply" disappear like a proton also does?
Also even if it does appear and disappear, would we even notice it? Has it happened yet already and we just don't know.. Or could it be happening and splitting into parallel universes?
Put that in your think pot.
ohmythugaim
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ITT: People who know nothing about cosmology talking about cosmology.
skithesprings
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the new isht is that it's an infinite dodecahedron similar to a soccer ball with infinite opposite faces.
seanahue.
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I'm up way too late and have too much on my mind, so I kind of feel the need to weigh-in here (big-ups to illadelph for this thread, my brain needed this). I think that my ideas are similar to what Ginko was talking about, though I have never read Greene. I'm not 'religious' by any means and I do like Steven Hawking's ideas concerning parallelism etc., but I kind of have a problem with his disbelief in a superior being or higher consciousness and this is why...
Try to follow me and I'll do my best to explain clearly... what if the Universe and all its parallels ARE the supreme being?
This belief is called pantheism, as in All is God and God is All. Not all-powerful, and by no means moral, but indeed all-knowing because it is sum of its parts. Imagine everything (people, rocks, planets, stars, whatever) as a small droplets of water in an endless ocean of existence, divisible but amorphous as energy/matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Some might call this ocean God, some call it the Universe, but in this way we are all connected through a collective consciousness. For me, this is a good way to explain several historic mysteries as to how certain technologies simultaneously developed in eerily similar ways on opposite corners of the globe, for different groups of people who had no possible way of interacting with each other to share that information. Somewhere, somehow, those two strings of consciousness connected somewhere in a greater collectivity, a collectivity I believe to be both God and the Universe.
So the ocean-metaphor is a good place to start, but lets go a bit deeper into the wormhole (cue Morgan Freeman voice-over)... Imagine the structure of an atom: it has these electrons flying around it at light-speed, which is nuts because we've discovered that electrons can actually be in two places at once (they can be characterized as both a particle and a wave). Now imagine the structure of our universe, with it's billions and trillions of stars we see around us. Here's the trick though, when we see those stars, they exist for us in one space within our field of vision and understanding, but in the actual space where that light came from they may have already exploded millions of lightyears ago... Now, start with my ocean-metaphor and take it a bit deeper: imagine our Sun as an electron that is part of an atom of God. All the other stars are other electrons within the same atom, electron-lights that exist in space as both particle (how we understand them) and wave (how we see them). I do believe space as we know it could be finite, but only in the sense that we are confined within our own atom. This is where Hawking and his parallels agree with me nicely: parallel universes could just be other atoms that make up a larger cell, cells that are separate from us but at the same time interconnected to form a more complex being (God Him/Herself). Thinking of it this way, there could be billions and trillions (probably more but I don't wanna fuck with numbers that big cause it hurts my head) of cells required to complete this superior being... if it is even complete at all.
Now here's where I have trouble distinguishing infinite from finite: that same cellular/molecular continuum I just described above could also go IN REVERSE!!! As in, you could be the supreme being for all the trillions of little Universes present in the atoms of cells that make up your dick-tip and everything else that is you.
Like whoa bro... whoa
I acknowledge that none of this accounts for any sort of 'big bang' theory, which I'm not really sure I buy anyway; how the fuck does something just explode from nothing into existence...? What I've described above is sort of a synthesis, my own personal spin-off of my studies in college concerning Greek, Hindu, and Taoist philosophy/theology, combined with a bit of Jungian psychology (the collective consciousness part) and some basic cellular/atomic biology.
Phew, that felt like taking a giant intellectual shit: necessary, painful, but at the same time orgasmically satisfying...
Any thoughts...?
Try to follow me and I'll do my best to explain clearly... what if the Universe and all its parallels ARE the supreme being?
This belief is called pantheism, as in All is God and God is All. Not all-powerful, and by no means moral, but indeed all-knowing because it is sum of its parts. Imagine everything (people, rocks, planets, stars, whatever) as a small droplets of water in an endless ocean of existence, divisible but amorphous as energy/matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Some might call this ocean God, some call it the Universe, but in this way we are all connected through a collective consciousness. For me, this is a good way to explain several historic mysteries as to how certain technologies simultaneously developed in eerily similar ways on opposite corners of the globe, for different groups of people who had no possible way of interacting with each other to share that information. Somewhere, somehow, those two strings of consciousness connected somewhere in a greater collectivity, a collectivity I believe to be both God and the Universe.
So the ocean-metaphor is a good place to start, but lets go a bit deeper into the wormhole (cue Morgan Freeman voice-over)... Imagine the structure of an atom: it has these electrons flying around it at light-speed, which is nuts because we've discovered that electrons can actually be in two places at once (they can be characterized as both a particle and a wave). Now imagine the structure of our universe, with it's billions and trillions of stars we see around us. Here's the trick though, when we see those stars, they exist for us in one space within our field of vision and understanding, but in the actual space where that light came from they may have already exploded millions of lightyears ago... Now, start with my ocean-metaphor and take it a bit deeper: imagine our Sun as an electron that is part of an atom of God. All the other stars are other electrons within the same atom, electron-lights that exist in space as both particle (how we understand them) and wave (how we see them). I do believe space as we know it could be finite, but only in the sense that we are confined within our own atom. This is where Hawking and his parallels agree with me nicely: parallel universes could just be other atoms that make up a larger cell, cells that are separate from us but at the same time interconnected to form a more complex being (God Him/Herself). Thinking of it this way, there could be billions and trillions (probably more but I don't wanna fuck with numbers that big cause it hurts my head) of cells required to complete this superior being... if it is even complete at all.
Now here's where I have trouble distinguishing infinite from finite: that same cellular/molecular continuum I just described above could also go IN REVERSE!!! As in, you could be the supreme being for all the trillions of little Universes present in the atoms of cells that make up your dick-tip and everything else that is you.
Like whoa bro... whoa
I acknowledge that none of this accounts for any sort of 'big bang' theory, which I'm not really sure I buy anyway; how the fuck does something just explode from nothing into existence...? What I've described above is sort of a synthesis, my own personal spin-off of my studies in college concerning Greek, Hindu, and Taoist philosophy/theology, combined with a bit of Jungian psychology (the collective consciousness part) and some basic cellular/atomic biology.
Phew, that felt like taking a giant intellectual shit: necessary, painful, but at the same time orgasmically satisfying...
Any thoughts...?
Style+eeze
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Fuck you.
sweatshirt
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But I thought that matter cannot be created or destroyed
sweatshirt
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Also buddy was calling out somebody else's post not yours so take a chill pill bro
seanahue.
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@gaper, you briefly mentioned that matter and energy are manifestations of the same divine entity, a concept that you're taking from Einstein, but those same scientific ideas also draw similarities to the spiritual concepts of Ratzo and Shov described in the Jewish Torah...
Einstein himself didn't believe in a personal God, but he did believe in Spinoza's God, who "reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists." In short, Spinoza believed that God and Nature were two names for the same reality, the essential principle to pantheism. However, even Einstein didn't know what to call himself, be it atheist, agnostic, or pantheistic. He viewed humanity trying to understand God and the Universe (and I'm paraphrasing here) "like a small child in a library filled with many books written in many languages; though he doesn't understand the language, he sees writing and knows that someone must have written it, and suspects that there is some mysterious order to it all though he cannot hope to fully comprehend it." So, what do you think about that entity and it's nature? Save the "I'm smarter than you" battles because you obviously have your specialties and I have my own, I just thought it was a dick move to show up in a forum and call someone a retard for their opinion without even asserting your own. But douchebaggery aside and to your credit, you do sound like a smart dude so let's hear some real-talk...
Einstein himself didn't believe in a personal God, but he did believe in Spinoza's God, who "reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists." In short, Spinoza believed that God and Nature were two names for the same reality, the essential principle to pantheism. However, even Einstein didn't know what to call himself, be it atheist, agnostic, or pantheistic. He viewed humanity trying to understand God and the Universe (and I'm paraphrasing here) "like a small child in a library filled with many books written in many languages; though he doesn't understand the language, he sees writing and knows that someone must have written it, and suspects that there is some mysterious order to it all though he cannot hope to fully comprehend it." So, what do you think about that entity and it's nature? Save the "I'm smarter than you" battles because you obviously have your specialties and I have my own, I just thought it was a dick move to show up in a forum and call someone a retard for their opinion without even asserting your own. But douchebaggery aside and to your credit, you do sound like a smart dude so let's hear some real-talk...
seanahue.
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anyway, moving on... i get what you were saying about the big bang and the supposed symmetry it would have created for it to be true, and the fact that it universe is random and asymmetric basically reaffirms chaos theory... but how can the big bang and chaos even co-exist? i've always understood what happens after the bang, but never where it could have come from in the first place... is this where we get divine intervention?
hey-dude-its-me
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haha you should have quoted the post about decartes
ohmythugaim
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If i were one of those people who puts quotes of other members in my sig, i would put this quote in my sig.
84891jnf92048
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sometimes I think I am smart enough to understand this stuff, and try to, and just end up feeling really stupid....
ObiWanKablowme
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lets hear your theory then
hey-dude-its-me
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hahaha what a fucking clown
geteducated
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It's spelled Descartes, smart guy.
illadelphlife
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CAPITA-DEVOURS
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my mind is bottled.
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CliffyByro
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usually i'm okay with this sort of stuff, but seriously..
CliffyByro
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damn this post fails, what i meant was i'm usually open minded, but that was just retarded. and the gif was directed at the thread.. fuck it's too late for this shit
FerrisBueller
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multiple.
Poikenz
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sorry to just jump in on this but it wasn't your theory so he could simply use someone else's theory to argue your (by your I mean the person you are mis-quoting's) point. You are correct in your thinking about how dimensions work and only being able to see fractions of the next dimension but we are not in the 4th dimension, we are only in the third dimension, whatever you said about time being the 4th dimension is total shit or that we are in the 4th dimension at all. Yes that means that "4D" movies aren't actually in 4 dimensions GASP!
*Dos*Planker*
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i as well enjoy contemplating this topic
Jpurd
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yah samee its a super cool concept. I like to think about like what is in our own ocean that we do not know about. If you think about it the earth is about 12,000 miles in diameter. The deepest ocean we have is a mere 12 miles deep. So really the ocean is a giant puddle on top of the earths core and mantle and crust. I bet their are still plenty of creatures out in the ocean that are yet to be discovered
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ObiWanKablowme
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"Because of Einstein, we often call time the fourth dimension." in the 3rd dimension objects cannot grow or develop, therefore we exist in another dimension, that being 4D. 3D is too restrictive to include a being as complex as any living creature.
