A Trick Guide 2: The difference between bio, cork, d-spin, misty, rodeo, flatspin and underflip

Doubleplanks 16 sent me this question, which I think might help clear up some confusion about the Kangaroo Flip:

Doubleplanker16:

"When people say the kangaroo flip is a double flatspin i think i disagree....to my knowledge it looks more like a little off axis double linclon 180?? whats up with this?"

My Response:

I wish I had a better video of the trick, but the best shot of Jon's trick was in a streamed video off some sweedish website. Honestly, the rotation is so different that I'm not sure you could classify it as either.

I've seen another video of some European guys trying it (one actually pulled it off, quite impressive) and they warmed up with double backflips. Apparently, the trick is thrown like a double backflip, except you twist to the side as if you were about to go into a flatspin or rodeo . With the double backflip rotation, Jon in the video gets to 90 after the first flip, then does his second to come 180. Technically, this would be a flatspin, as he doesnt get completely inverted, as in a rodeo, lincoln or an underflip.

So, the kangaroo flip is more of a flatspin than anything else. While the backwards rotation is a double backflip, the sideways is only a 180, so its not two flatspin 540's linked together. Two flatspin 5's would make a doubleflatspin 1080, while Jon's trick is really more of a double flatspin 900.

So what would a true double flatspin 1080 look like?

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This is my best guess.

Thanks for the good question, don't ever hesitate to message me if you have one, I'll try my best to answer it.
 
no!!! this thread lost the sticky? this has to be the best thread ever, ive learned soooo much from it
 
It's like a flat 3 to flat 5. If you've ever seen somebody do a flatspin 3(t-hall kills em), they set it up more like a lincoln loop than a rodeo. Jon does the same thing, but sets it much harder and just drops that shoulder into a flatspin 3 and then another flat 3 but his momentum takes him around another 180.

A double flat 5(or double flat 10, whichever you want to call it) would be absolutely out of control. I don't know if it would even be possible to go flat twice without ever going inverted. Even in a double cork 1080, you have to be inverted sort of at the end.
 
I've a question... I don't see Bio 5 in this trick guide...

so I wondering is it possible? or doesn't it exist (like bio 3)?
 
A bio is a bit like a D-spin, as in it takes a few rotations to get on and off the proper axis. I cant say I've ever seen a bio five, but maybe it exists. Post a video if you remember seeing one.
 
I've tried it. I don't think it's possible to do a real bio 5(your head fully leading the spin) because you could never come level again, unless you throw it like super hard, then it turns into a flat 5.
 
I just watched that. I wouldn't call it bio. Bio is like your head leads the spin, Balsen just tweaks his grab so hard that his feet are behind him.
 
Agreed. Tricks can get really blurry when theres a side-tweaked grab or when they get laid out. But who cares, those tricks that have that look soooo sick (see Evan Raps' D-spins and Jon Olsson's switch sevens, both in Happy Dayz)
 
which is why i really don't care what a trick is called.

I love any head leading spins as well, like jon olssons switch misty 9 or tanners switch bio 7, i think both are in session 1242.
 
you can def bio 5, its like bio 7 you just drop out earlier. and for the balsen shot, yea i agree its mainly just him tweaking the grab, buuuuuuut his feet fall behind him in the rotation, its slightly bio.
 
Jon's switch misty 9's make me salivate, and the switch misty 10 he pulls in TBC is jaw dropping. I can't seem to get a good video of these however, does someone have TBC or 1242 ripped on their computer that could get that clip for an update?
 
Thanks for this, i really was clueless about all those definitions hearing them but not knowing what they were.

Sick that you put in the effort, well done
 
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