A park ski that's great to carve on.

Jacobthesadskier

Jacobthesadskier

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Hello, first post so I'm a bit nervous! I'm a confident intermediate skier who's happy on all blue and red slopes, and most black slopes, and am continuing to improve my skiing. I've recently got into freestyle skiing, and, although my skills are extremely limited, I really really enjoy it. I've been looking to buy a new pair of skis to replace my now very battered and generally quite crappy Wedze Xld 500 all mountain skis. I'd like a pair of skis that can go to the terrain park, but my main priority will always be going on piste and occasionally heading off-piste, so all mountain performance is a priority! I mainly ski in Abetone, a small(ish) resort in northern tuscany, with the odd jaunt to the alps thrown in. Abetone receives little natural snowfall, so most of the conditions I'll be skiing in will be either be sheet ice or chopped up slush. I've been considering the K2 poacher and sight, the Line chronic and Tom wallisch Pro, Faction prodigy 2.0, volkl revolt 95 and Armada arv 96. If there are any others please recommend them. I am 6ft 3in and roughly 15kg. I've been agonising over this decision for the last three months, so any help is very much appreciated!

(ps, any ideas about the length of the ski?) Many thanks, and sorry if I've missed anything!
 
I haven't skied any of the skis mentioned, but I've heard great things about the arv96 and the poacher for the type of ski you're looking for. For the length, you'll want to go for the longest length since you're so tall.
 
14257878:Celery said:
I haven't skied any of the skis mentioned, but I've heard great things about the arv96 and the poacher for the type of ski you're looking for. For the length, you'll want to go for the longest length since you're so tall.
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Yea Ive only skied a couple on that list but the poacher would be a good choice. Stiffer ski that rips down groomers but can still thrown down. Plus Ive always had a good experience with k2s durability if thats a concern
 
Well, you definitely don't weigh 15kg but judging by your height, you probably do want the longest size in pretty much any park ski, even as an intermediate. Of your list (and I've skied them all for various periods, most of them for at least 10 days) I find the Poacher and the Prodigy 2.0 a bit too rockered for really hard icy conditions, they don't love to grip, and the Revolt 95 is the same because it's quite soft even underfoot. The Wallisch maxes out at a 178, which is on the short side for you, so I think probably the best two of your options are the ARV 96 and the Chronic. Get the 184 in either.

To me, the ARV 96 is (taking a step back and being as objective as I can) probably the perfect do-it-all park ski. It will handle hard snow/ice, handle some mellow soft snow, handle jumps, handle rails, you can butter, you can slash, it holds an edge... But personally, I find them pretty boring to ski. They're like that car that you know makes the most sense because it has 5 seats, it's reliable, it's fairly fast, has 4wd, it's fuel-efficient and it looks alright... but just doesn't excite you to drive.

The Chronic is also good at most things, though it doesn't handle ice or soft snow, or jumps as well as the ARV 96 for my money. For bigger guys like you, it may be too soft. But for me, it's a whole lot more interesting to ski. It's not quite as dependable, but it's more energetic and fun.

**This post was edited on Mar 16th 2021 at 8:33:20am
 
you get some skis that carves decent, and still quite fun on some boxes and jumps, but rails require a detune and that for me kills carving. (having 2 degrees base bevel just isnt the same)
 
Dynastar menace 98 is a good all rounder too that is awesome for just charging all over. It comes in a 187cm. Love mine in the chopped up slush
 
I can comment on the chronic and revolt 95.

Revolt 95 is nice because I felt like I could really lay down a solid, strong carve (it has the same core as the mantra and kendo but with no metal laminate) but it did not like when I tried to shorten the turn. The long sidecut meant that the flared tips had a tendency to dig into the snow too much when I tried to snap a quicker carve. But they were really fun on light fresh snow, trees, etc. and just playing around. But I did not like them in the park. They felt very boring to me in the park.

The Chronics have more noticeable camber but soft tips and tails. They have a shorter turn radius and you can really lay a quick carve down that really grips. They’re very fun in the park. However, their shape and construction means that they have a tendency to slow down more than the revolts when carving. I don’t know how to explain it. The revolts just carried a lot more speed.

My vote would be chronic or ARV96. Chronic being a bit more playful, ARV being a bit more stiff (from my understanding)
 
I ride poachers in the park and as much as everyone here wants to think they’re an incredible do it all ski, they really aren’t.

You will definitely notice the softness at speed, and like someone already said the rocker makes it pretty difficult to engage your edge when conditions are subpar.

I would honestly recommend the bentchetler 100. Amazing all mountain ski that you can still have fun with in the park. My friend rides them centre mounted and loves them, but I’d recommend 1-2cm back from centre for the all mountain performance.

Alternatively, get a fun all mountain ski and then pick up some cheap park beater ski from the buy n sell forum here.

It’s taken me about 15 years of skiing to realize no park ski will ever perform anywhere close to a “real” ski. Especially after it’s seen a rail or two.
 
14257911:Twig said:
Well, you definitely don't weigh 15kg but judging by your height, you probably do want the longest size in pretty much any park ski, even as an intermediate. Of your list, I find the Poacher and the Prodigy 2.0 a bit too rockered for really hard icy conditions, they don't love to grip, and the Revolt 95 is the same because it's quite soft even underfoot. The Wallisch maxes out at a 178, which is on the short side for you, so I think probably the best two of your options are the ARV 96 and the Chronic. Get the 184 in either.

To me, the ARV 96 is, taking a step back and being as objective as I can, probably the perfect do-it-all park ski. It will handle hard snow/ice, handle some mellow soft snow, handle jumps, handle rails, you can butter, you can slash, it holds an edge... But personally, I find them pretty boring to ski. They're like that car that you know makes the most sense because it has 5 seats, it's reliable, it's fairly fast, has 4wd, its fuel-efficient and it looks alright... but just doesn't excite you to drive.

The Chronic is also good at most things, though it doesn't handle ice or soft snow, or jumps as well as the ARV 96 for my money. For bigger guys like you, it may be too soft. But for me, it's a whole lot more interesting to ski. It's not quite as dependable, but it's more energetic and fun.
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Wow I totally feel the exact same way about my ARV 96s. I also own a pair of Surface Outsiders and they share like nothing in common with the Armadas yet everytime I go out I wanna ride the Outsiders because of how fun they are even though I know on most days the ARVs would be the better choice in a technical sense
 
14257967:WoFlowz said:
Armada stranger?
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Honestly this. Really big in the shovel for a park ski but it would damn fun if you don't mind that getting in the way a little. Also, hot take, I love the all white including the bases. This has been my ski crush this season.
 
I like the sound of the stranger, but it's way out of my price range. In truth, I can really only afford a pair of skis whilst the sales are all on.
 
Stranger is sick! I am 6’3 and have the 180 version. They are bombproof skis. Maybe work the summer and save rather than buying in sales season, because then they’ll just sit all summer?
 
14258470:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Is that a dig at my comments about carving, Lewis Hamilton??
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at everyone! (go big or go home)

revolt 95 is saved a bit by the camber profile

CT 2.0 and CT 3.0's 2021 are the most chargy and carving able twins that can also be skied park I've tried to date btw.

imho slept on skis, but yeah rotating 2400 grams ? yeah you feel it also your swervegang membership will be revoked. good luck with pretzeling anything.
 
To be honest I didn’t realize the ct was so chargey this year until your recent posts. 2400g is a hefty boy and you make it sound awesome but I’m at a resort with a 300ft vertical drop at the moment so I need a playful park ski haha

Any issues with durability?

14258474:anders_a said:
at everyone! (go big or go home)

revolt 95 is saved a bit by the camber profile

CT 2.0 and CT 3.0's 2021 are the most chargy and carving able twins that can also be skied park I've tried to date btw.

imho slept on skis, but yeah rotating 2400 grams ? yeah you feel it also your swervegang membership will be revoked. good luck with pretzeling anything.
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topic:Jacobthesadskier said:
I am 6ft 3in and roughly 15kg
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15 kg is pretty skinny for 6 foot 3.

if you meant to say 150 kg then damn dude the park isnt gonna be nice to you.

also, what the fuck is wedze? An italian budget ski? Never trust italian engineering. The italians sold us out in ww2 because they hated having to learn from us how to build good fighter planes and tanks and shit.

get volkl revolt 95s. Perfect all mountain parkable ski with a good durable base. Oyster bratwurst and many other good slopestyle skiers rock the revolt 95.

If you want wider than 95 get the revolt 104 or k2 reckoner 102.
 
14258486:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
To be honest I didn’t realize the ct was so chargey this year until your recent posts. 2400g is a hefty boy and you make it sound awesome but I’m at a resort with a 300ft vertical drop at the moment so I need a playful park ski haha

Any issues with durability?
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yeah and you got the chronics for that now right? I use chronics for our indoor as well quite a lot since its all slow & swerve + some fairly decent size jumps. heck in there it even carves nice. I think my indoors is 300ft vert :p but... skiiing is skiiing, you can have tons of fun on 300ft!

But go outside on a mountain & jhighspeed carve on the chronics, meeeh.

thread title is "great to carve on" hence my comments ;)

I'm really really digging the 3.0's the blue just looks nice and a bit different, people actually ask about them which doesnt happen often, maybe because they are not used to seeing people going easy 40-45mph on carve with twins, before jumping rollers, and going on. My ollies on them are kinda shitty on so far, but when you combine stiff ski + heavy body that can load up a stiff ski + roller + ollie and timing is perfect, = its fun.
 
14257911:Twig said:
Well, you definitely don't weigh 15kg but judging by your height, you probably do want the longest size in pretty much any park ski, even as an intermediate. Of your list (and I've skied them all for various periods, most of them for at least 10 days) I find the Poacher and the Prodigy 2.0 a bit too rockered for really hard icy conditions, they don't love to grip, and the Revolt 95 is the same because it's quite soft even underfoot. The Wallisch maxes out at a 178, which is on the short side for you, so I think probably the best two of your options are the ARV 96 and the Chronic. Get the 184 in either.

To me, the ARV 96 is, taking a step back and being as objective as I can, probably the perfect do-it-all park ski. It will handle hard snow/ice, handle some mellow soft snow, handle jumps, handle rails, you can butter, you can slash, it holds an edge... But personally, I find them pretty boring to ski. They're like that car that you know makes the most sense because it has 5 seats, it's reliable, it's fairly fast, has 4wd, its fuel-efficient and it looks alright... but just doesn't excite you to drive.

The Chronic is also good at most things, though it doesn't handle ice or soft snow, or jumps as well as the ARV 96 for my money. For bigger guys like you, it may be too soft. But for me, it's a whole lot more interesting to ski. It's not quite as dependable, but it's more energetic and fun.

**This post was edited on Mar 12th 2021 at 6:02:05pm
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Revolt 95s are probably better at carving than revolt 104s and 104s carve just fine.

armadas are durable but the slow bases really are a killjoy for me too.

slick bases also make tricks easier to learn.

I would choose the revolt 95s or 87s or 104s. Volkl seems to be the euro ski maker that is the most serious about park skiing. They sponsor way more park skiers than any other brand and includes big boys like goepper, ragetli and oyster bratwurst.

my old volkl kinks and my bros revolt 104s have no edge damage from rails.
 
Yeah I do. They’re great for these tiny parks but I’ve noticed they can be a bit twitchy at speeds. Gotta pay attention and keep the edge set. Can’t be lazy with the carves ha

These things all sound fun on the CTs. I’m ready to get back to real mountains and bigger skis. My local hill is so flat, I can barely throw a surfy skid.

14258492:anders_a said:
yeah and you got the chronics for that now right? I use chronics for our indoor as well quite a lot since its all slow & swerve + some fairly decent size jumps. heck in there it even carves nice. I think my indoors is 300ft vert :p but... skiiing is skiiing, you can have tons of fun on 300ft!

But go outside on a mountain & jhighspeed carve on the chronics, meeeh.

thread title is "great to carve on" hence my comments ;)

I'm really really digging the 3.0's the blue just looks nice and a bit different, people actually ask about them which doesnt happen often, maybe because they are not used to seeing people going easy 40-45mph on carve with twins, before jumping rollers, and going on. My ollies on them are kinda shitty on so far, but when you combine stiff ski + heavy body that can load up a stiff ski + roller + ollie and timing is perfect, = its fun.
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I was actually about to buy a pair of CT's (probably either 1.0 or 2.0) a while back, but I heard that they might be difficult to use if your just getting into freestyle like I am. Is this true, or would I be fine?
 
14258705:Jacobthesadskier said:
I was actually about to buy a pair of CT's (probably either 1.0 or 2.0) a while back, but I heard that they might be difficult to use if your just getting into freestyle like I am. Is this true, or would I be fine?
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heavy/stiff, depends what you wanna do a bit. Carves great, and stiff enough for harder conditions

I'm 6'3 and can ride park on them, but you dont wanna hit rails or boxes on them with supersharp edges being new

but jumps and such? yes send it, stiff so they provide a stable platform for landings

we are still unsure if your 15KG though ;)
 
I haven't weighed myself in two and a half years and can't remember what I weighed then so 15kg is effectively an educated guess, but I am quite skinny and remember that the number wasn't particularly substantial back then, and I haven't changed much since then.
 
Dude there is no way you are the same weight as an Aussie shepherd lol

14258791:Jacobthesadskier said:
I haven't weighed myself in two and a half years and can't remember what I weighed then so 15kg is effectively an educated guess, but I am quite skinny and remember that the number wasn't particularly substantial back then, and I haven't changed much since then.
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I know I know, I was completely guessing as I said. You never know though, maybe a diet consisting of dried porridge, pot noodles and cordon bleau sandwiches is the new diet? Lol
 
14258823:Jacobthesadskier said:
I know I know, I was completely guessing as I said. You never know though, maybe a diet consisting of dried porridge, pot noodles and cordon bleau sandwiches is the new diet? Lol
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15kg is like 30lbs, bro I could curl you. I think you’re accidentally typing a 1.
 
ARV 96 is 100% the ski for you, was in the same position as you 1-2 seasons ago. ARV is the perfect ski for all mountain carving and learning park, handles rails and jumps amazing but you can also take it in semi deep powder with no issues. Im starting to get more park experience so im looking to upgrade to a more playful ski dedicated for park but the 96s are super fun and a great ski to slide your first rails with while not sacrificing all mountain capabilities.
 
topic:Jacobthesadskier said:
Hello, first post so I'm a bit nervous! I'm a confident intermediate skier who's happy on all blue and red slopes, and most black slopes, and am continuing to improve my skiing. I've recently got into freestyle skiing, and, although my skills are extremely limited, I really really enjoy it. I've been looking to buy a new pair of skis to replace my now very battered and generally quite crappy Wedze Xld 500 all mountain skis. I'd like a pair of skis that can go to the terrain park, but my main priority will always be going on piste and occasionally heading off-piste, so all mountain performance is a priority! I mainly ski in Abetone, a small(ish) resort in northern tuscany, with the odd jaunt to the alps thrown in. Abetone receives little natural snowfall, so most of the conditions I'll be skiing in will be either be sheet ice or chopped up slush. I've been considering the K2 poacher and sight, the Line chronic and Tom wallisch Pro, Faction prodigy 2.0, volkl revolt 95 and Armada arv 96. If there are any others please recommend them. I am 6ft 3in and roughly 15kg. I've been agonising over this decision for the last three months, so any help is very much appreciated!

(ps, any ideas about the length of the ski?) Many thanks, and sorry if I've missed anything!
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I think [tag=105085]@Twig[/tag] said that the EDollo carves pretty well given it’s intended use
 
14259352:animator said:
I think [tag=105085]@Twig[/tag] said that the EDollo carves pretty well given it’s intended use
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That is also a good shout. Didn't think of these but I still think they are one of the most fun skis out there.
 
14258298:r00kie said:
Honestly this. Really big in the shovel for a park ski but it would damn fun if you don't mind that getting in the way a little. Also, hot take, I love the all white including the bases. This has been my ski crush this season.
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Isnt this ski a jibby directional ski instead of a twin tip? idk about buying for park.
 
14259645:FruitBootPro said:
Isnt this ski a jibby directional ski instead of a twin tip? idk about buying for park.
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It is a twin, just more directional than it is symmetrical. Still good for switch take off and landings though as watching a certain Armada team rider in the Midwest all season has shown.
 
14257971:OregonDead said:
Dynastar menace 98 is a good all rounder too that is awesome for just charging all over. It comes in a 187cm. Love mine in the chopped up slush
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it okay in the park? looking at this ski for an all rounder. I have the 108 m-free and love it
 
14259676:Bigruss39 said:
it okay in the park? looking at this ski for an all rounder. I have the 108 m-free and love it
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yeah I'm not really any good at park skiing so not the best to ask but but it seems to check all those boxes for an all mtn park ski
 
With this guys size how has no one said b ops holy shred? It’s exactly what he needs for his size and skiing terrain
 
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