A hate thread.

mikem

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look, I write a ton of shit on here. and some of that shit i write is hateful and mean. but this one. this one is from the soul.

The Wasatch is a weird place. filled with homies that are miles above you trying to make it in the ski industry, and filled with children learning their way. I am born in this place, but I just exist in this place, merely a specimen. I watch tough guys try to tough guy everyone and anyone. I watch homies go through break ups with their girl. I see you trying to grow you career.

At the end of the day, its about singing songs with your homies on the chair. Its about skiing with your people. Its about adapting to situations and being a real fucking person.

I do not give a FUCK about who you know, I only give a FUCK about the people you invest in, the people you grow, the people you care about.

Because at the end of the day, Id rather ski with YOU, lap over and over, and just be the best person you can be.

Just be yourself, like skiing and I will like you.

Sincerely, A love story.
 
Yes, except that the people singing on chairlifts are the most annoying people on the mountain
 
14605560:nCrow said:
Yes, except that the people singing on chairlifts are the most annoying people on the mountain

Not a fraction as annoying as the mfers with backpack speakers
 
14605627:Dlonetti said:
skiing/being an SLC local seems like an interesting time

If you're insecure as fuck. i get so suprised by how often I see posts about people being all up in each others heads about skiing, when I moved to utah we just skied, filmed and had fun. Maybe there is more pressure on people than there was 15 years ago.

I also think the OP is satire, but maybe Im wrong.
 
14605635:eheath said:
If you're insecure as fuck. i get so suprised by how often I see posts about people being all up in each others heads about skiing, when I moved to utah we just skied, filmed and had fun. Maybe there is more pressure on people than there was 15 years ago.

I also think the OP is satire, but maybe Im wrong.

So, I think there's some truth to OP's point here, if I could share my perspective/experience.

I graduated high school in 2009 and did the college thing for a year, decided I didn't want to be doing that so I moved to SLC the following fall. Got a job snowmaking at Deer Valley, and asked an old friend (a certain dreadlocked co-founder of Vishnu) if I could crash on his couch for a few months while I found something more permanent. I had absolutely zero aspirations of "making it" in the ski industry, I just loved skiing and wanted to do it every day. I knew that everyone else would be worlds above me, but I didn't care, I just wanted to lap the most perfect jumps I'd ever hit and get a little better at rails. For context, this is the year PC stopped doing Kings Crown and condensed everything into the one park under 3 Kings lift.

I'll preface this next part by saying, I think my experience would have been different and better had I found my own place from the start and tried to find my own friend group. That said, I didn't know a single person in Utah other than Kale, and I didn't have the freshman dorm experience the previous year to give an opportunity to meet people. My options in that regard were to find friends on the DV snowmaking crew (most of them were 40+, the others didn't really ski much) or try to fit in with the guys I was living with.

So I start hanging with that crew, its a mix of solidly better-than-me skiers but not anything crazy, all the way up to guys like Heff and Karl. Hang at the Jwenz apartment and smoke 5g blunts, go to a few parties, do the Guardsman preseason thing. Despite most of the guys being super chill and genuinely nice people, there are a few who do their best tough guy impressions and do little things to make me feel like an outsider, like the kinds of guys who go to bars/parties and "neg" girls to get them to go home with them, typical bro douche stuff. Whatever, I didn't come here to impress anyone, why should I care what they think?

But that shit adds up. You start to question yourself a little. You ride the lift and watch everyone making it look so easy. Even if you tell yourself you don't need to be that good, it starts to wear on you a little. So you work on getting better, maybe get hurt a few times but nothing that keeps you off the mountain, but you can see the progression so it's all worth it right? Unfortunately the lack of a proper friend group, one that you chose yourself and one that wants to see you getting better and having fun, doesn't give you an outlet to process the feelings of being a "shit skier". So you get down on yourself, skiing starts to feel less fun, moving to a new city feels like a mistake. The depression creeps into other aspects of your life, you fracture your shoulder and can't drive a snowmobile anymore so there goes the snowmaking job, your friends are annoyed because you're still living on their couch 4 months later. You understand why they don't want you there anymore, but depression is a hell of a thing so you don't know how to get away. Eventually you leave town altogether.

I know this is very specific to my own experience and there are about a million things I could have done differently to have a different experience. But I also feel like the events that led me to that specific situation aren't too vastly different from what someone else looking to move to Utah might encounter, especially in those college years. The external pressure to be "good" or "cool" or whatever, especially for people in their late teens and early twenties, can be overwhelming even if you don't have a desire to be a full-on ski bro. Everyone wants to fit in, right?

I do want to add, the majority of people I met that year were stoked on skiing and anything related to skiing, and generally couldn't give a fuck about anything else. Most of those people were supportive of each other. But it only takes a few assholes to muddy the waters.

End of rant. Thanks for giving me an outlet to process some of this, it's only been 14 years lol
 
14605650:treebeard said:
So, I think there's some truth to OP's point here,

End of rant. Thanks for giving me an outlet to process some of this, it's only been 14 years lol

Yeah there is always that young/college age bullshit that happens, egos etc espeically with dudes.

I always felt like skiing pushed that aside and brought people together, but that was simply just my personal experience, so thank you for sharing.
 
14605663:eheath said:
I always felt like skiing pushed that aside and brought people together, but that was simply just my personal experience, so thank you for sharing.

That's definitely been my experience ever since I left SLC, met supportive homies and rediscovered the love. The bro mentality is always gonna exist but it feels so much less pervasive here in Idaho.

I never got to meet you back in the day, but we definitely rode with some of the same dudes and I'm sure you can guess at who was supportive and who was a dickhead. The bell curve of skill to douche-ness is real; the best of the best are having too much fun to give a fuck, and the meh skiers are too busy worrying about themselves to give a fuck. It's the ones in the middle who ruined shit for me
 
14605676:Jibbcore said:

14605677:Jibbcore said:
I dont live in Stockholm im from Norrland

**This post was edited on Apr 15th 2024 at 6:29:22pm

14605679:Jibbcore said:
I outski JalmarKalmar all day

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