25 years of celebrating MLK day

pmills

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Are you thinking about MLK tomorrow? Why is there a celebration? Have we seen progression or has there been a regression?

And if it doesn't matter to you, why not?


I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a “thing-oriented” society to a “person-oriented” society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

These are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression and out of the wombs of a frail world new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. “The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light.” We in the West must support these revolutions. It is a sad fact that, because of comfort, complacency, a morbid fear of communism, and our proneness to adjust to injustice, the Western nations that initiated so much of the revolutionary spirit of the modern world have now become the arch anti-revolutionaries.... Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism.

A genuine revolution of values means in the final analysis that our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional. Every nation must now develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole in order to preserve the best in their individual societies.

This call for a world-wide fellowship that lifts neighborly concern beyond one’s tribe, race, class, and nation is in reality a call for an all-embracing and unconditional love for all men. This oft-misunderstood and misinterpreted concept--so readily dismissed by the Nietzsches of the world as a weak and cowardly force--has now become an absolute necessity for the survival of man. When I speak of love I am not speaking of some sentimental and weak response. I am speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality.
 
if i didn't have school assemblies about it i probably wouldn't think too much about it. i'd go skiing instead
 
You're not saying you're unfamiliar with something Reagan are you?

here's a tough one for you; given the quote above, why would Reagan be the one to sign the remembered day into law?
 
it doesnt matter to me.

it might have mattered 25 years ago when there was still discrimination.

nowadays anyone can do anything they want with their life, noone is entitled to anything

in my opinion mlk day is just bringing up the past for no reason, there arent any civil rights struggles in the us today, no group is greatly discriminated against.

we have a black president, we have a mexican supreme court judge, anyone of any race can be anybody they want to be, and thats great, but theres no use talking about how things were and how hard your grandpa had it.
 
today's your lucky day, something from your state:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/07/14/achievement_gap/

Mn has one of the highest achievement gaps in the country -- but overall scores are actually pretty good. The average for a black 4-8th grader are at the national level but the Caucasian students are 6-7 points above that.

whats the take here; do you excuse the gap because of the relative comparison nationally, or do you stay focused in just the context of the state and look at what's going on?

 
maybe i should know who your quote can be attributed to? but i dont. (just exposed my ignorance (GASP) haha )

sowwy :)

i got some lulz at the property rights, because IMHO property rights are essential in life. once you relinquish your rights to your property, you arent but a hop and a skip from relinquishing your right to your life.
 
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guess there just must be a bunch of REALLY SMART white kids here "eh"? (just let my Scandinavian heritage come the the surface)

im sure the go to answer for solving problems in the state will be used though. simply throw more money at it.
 
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf

A comprehensive study of the death penalty in North Carolina found that the odds of receiving a death sentence rose by 3.5 times among those defendants whose victims were white. (2001)

A study in California found that those who killed whites were over 3 times more likely to be sentenced to death than those who killed blacks and over 4 times more likely than those who killed Latinos.(2005)

 
lets turn this thread in a new(ish) direction.

lets just all accept that racism is alive and well in the USA today.

the consensus has been made. so, how do you solve it?

bickering about if it actually exists wont get us anywhere, lets accept for the sake of argument that it does, and move past it.
 
define discrimination.

i discriminate all the time. i choose one thing, over the other. i choose the color of shirt i wear. i choose, i choose, i choose.
 
so are you turning this towards the property rights conversation? You see exactly what MLK said;

We must rapidly begin the shift from a “thing-oriented” society to a “person-oriented” society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.
 
Ignoring debates about blacks....

How can you celebrate this day?

I mean, throw a party? Eat certain foods? I know the government shuts down offices and stuff, but they do that for other holidays. There should be a celebration.
 
Are you asking would I, or is that the status quo? Because those are two very different answers.

Look up NCLB, the way schools get funding means they care a lot about standardized test scores. That's the way it is.
 
no not at all.

all im saying is that racism exists in America today.

so instead of this thread questioning its existence. lets all just accept that its still going on.

what i want to hear are tenable ideas to solving it.
 
This thread is a straight political argument, i enjoy reading NS's political view. It shows that not everyone on the website is a retard
 
it's also a waste of time since most of NS is not actually in politics, but rather high school students that think exactly like their parents, or they try to be the complete opposite of mommy because she grounded him
 
are you not reading MLK's words? He's suggesting a value shift away from a the premium we have on things and caring more about people.

he's saying we care too much about our ipads and not our neighbors. that you we'd rather make a buck over improving someones life.

 
But that makes you an unpatriotic coward, and for America that's pretty much the lowest of the low.

 
I don't buy that you don't hear how to get to the 'promised land'... he's pretty clear what path leads us there:

-Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism

-develop an overriding loyalty to mankind

-the final analysis that our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional.

-Love

-The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood.

-The good neighbor looks beyond the external accidents and discerns those inner qualities that make all men human and, therefore, brothers.

-Nonviolence is the answer to the crucial political and moral questions of our time; the need for mankind to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to oppression and violence. Mankind must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.

 
Yea to celebrate I'll be smoking that MLK shit...you know...Martin Luther King Jr. and his famous speech "I smoked me some weed and I had a dream..."
 
the real waste of time is trolling threads.

come in trolling and you're just postponing the conversation. you might kill a thread here or there but the issue isn't gong to go away.

at least with the conversation you can plant a seed, share an understanding and even if you don't reach an agreement you can see where the other side is coming from.
 
i dont believe there is any discrimination at the federal level.

what i believe about x race isn't important. what someone in tennessee believes, isn't important.
 
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