i disliked they 1080's because they sucked, at least for me. they were slow, sucked for anything i would call even moderate speed, had why too much sidecut, were too soft, and were made like pieces of crap. i demoed a pair and lost 4 inches of the edge. the thing is though i'm not saying that they suck, i'm saying the i think for the way i like to ski they suck. before you say why you can't understand how people could say that they suck, or any ski for that matter, go ski on that piticular ski like they do for a day and see. if you saw it like other people do, you mihgt agree. my 185 fat iggy has a 250 flex, in comparision to a pocket rocket which would be around 200 and an ak launcher which would be around 180. some people might they suck, but for the way i like to ski they are perfect. it is all just relative to how you ski.