10 Schoolchildren engulfed in Avalanche

The area was closed. They had no business there. Shame the shaperonne; what a fucking idiot to bring students in a dangerous zone.

Hope the kids are ok.
 
This is so sad. People need to realize that closed means dangerous.

How are closed runs indicated at Les Deux Alpes ? Is it roped ? Signed ? Both ? Just curious.
 
Yeah my school has a ski trip to sick places like this and my mom saw this and my mom saw this story and doesnt want me to go anymore, but im not one to duck ropes on resorts i do not know my way arounda at all...
 
13604591:B.Quincy said:
but im not one to duck ropes on resorts i do not know my way arounda at all...

Yeah dude my opinion is just listen to what the resorts say, you won't be missing any secret prime spots by staying on open trails. Especially outside of the U.S. because lawsuits aren't a major problem for resorts, the only reason they close trails is because it isn't safe.
 
I can see ducking the occasional rope if your well experienced and have all the avalanche, and being with a group. Most will disagree but that's there problem. You have to use comon sense.. Something this guy was not doing obviously. I think he should be charged, why would someone in there right mind lead 10 kids into a danger zone.
 
13604603:SkierLogan said:
I can see ducking the occasional rope if your well experienced and have all the avalanche, and being with a group. Most will disagree but that's there problem. You have to use comon sense.. Something this guy was not doing obviously. I think he should be charged, why would someone in there right mind lead 10 kids into a danger zone.

avalanche gear ^
 
The teacher urged the kids to do it. He's getting charged with involuntary manslaughter. Also the run had been closed off all year becasue of the Level 3 avalanche danger
 
13604597:.Morton said:
Yeah dude my opinion is just listen to what the resorts say, you won't be missing any secret prime spots by staying on open trails. Especially outside of the U.S. because lawsuits aren't a major problem for resorts, the only reason they close trails is because it isn't safe.

Yeah plus ive heard that most resorts their dont even really mark stuff off trail (in the area) when stuff is open so to duck under something like that is just stupidity, like yeah it sucks they died but that teachers at fault.
 
Literally just finished watching an avalanche awareness video in the AT+BC forums and then I come on here and see this.. Mountains are no joke
 
13604603:SkierLogan said:
I can see ducking the occasional rope if your well experienced and have all the avalanche, and being with a group. Most will disagree but that's there problem. You have to use comon sense.. Something this guy was not doing obviously. I think he should be charged, why would someone in there right mind lead 10 kids into a danger zone.

If you're "well experienced", huh?

What if you trigger a slide that buries some oblivious, innocent person on open terrain below? What good will your avalanche gear do you if you get caught and buried? What about the patrol and/or rescuers who then have to come attempt to either save your life, or dig up your body and call your mom, and in doing so, are putting themselves in a potentially life threatening situation trying to help you?

If you're ducking ropes into avalanche terrain, you're at best a kook, and at worst, completely selfish and an asshole. I don't care how experienced you are, experienced people die just the same....actually no, they die more often. I've dug dead people bent in horrific ways out of avalanche debris. People whose experience dwarfed my own.

If you don't know or aren't aware that the rope you're ducking leads to avy terrain, you're even more of a fucking idiot. Ski areas aren't disney world. There's no way to mitigate any and all risks. No ski area purposely doesn't open safe terrain, it's in their best interest to open as much terrain as efficiently as possible. If it's closed, it's closed for a reason. Even if the odds as they were are relatively low, where do you draw the line? At 10% likelihood? And, the truth is, avalanche professionals can't ever be certain about a slope's relative safety. And, if we're talking about continental snowpacks, like where I am, the spatial variability is so great and the snowpack is so fragile that anyone who tells you with absolute certainty that a slope is totally good to go is completely full of shit. The best of the best get bit.

This shit pisses me off. Because, you're probably also the guy who would sue a ski area in the aftermath after knowingly entering closed terrain by trying to say the signage wasn't good enough. But, it's all good!! You're experienced, and you have avy gear, so fuck it, huck it!
 
13604996:casual said:
If you're "well experienced", huh?

What if you trigger a slide that buries some oblivious, innocent person on open terrain below? What good will your avalanche gear do you if you get caught and buried? What about the patrol and/or rescuers who then have to come attempt to either save your life, or dig up your body and call your mom, and in doing so, are putting themselves in a potentially life threatening situation trying to help you?

If you're ducking ropes into avalanche terrain, you're at best a kook, and at worst, completely selfish and an asshole. I don't care how experienced you are, experienced people die just the same....actually no, they die more often. I've dug dead people bent in horrific ways out of avalanche debris. People whose experience dwarfed my own.

If you don't know or aren't aware that the rope you're ducking leads to avy terrain, you're even more of a fucking idiot. Ski areas aren't disney world. There's no way to mitigate any and all risks. No ski area purposely doesn't open safe terrain, it's in their best interest to open as much terrain as efficiently as possible. If it's closed, it's closed for a reason. Even if the odds as they were are relatively low, where do you draw the line? At 10% likelihood? And, the truth is, avalanche professionals can't ever be certain about a slope's relative safety. And, if we're talking about continental snowpacks, like where I am, the spatial variability is so great and the snowpack is so fragile that anyone who tells you with absolute certainty that a slope is totally good to go is completely full of shit. The best of the best get bit.

This shit pisses me off. Because, you're probably also the guy who would sue a ski area in the aftermath after knowingly entering closed terrain by trying to say the signage wasn't good enough. But, it's all good!! You're experienced, and you have avy gear, so fuck it, huck it!

Your right, im 15 and I never said I was experienced. My parents or prob divorcing and I feel like I need to know it all. Sorry for what you've experienced
 
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