10 hours walking in NYC as a Man vs Woman (MUST watch!)

Phil-X-

Phil-X-

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So a few days ago this was released-


It shows a woman walking around NYC and getting told "how are you' "whats up beautiful" etc with a little bit of creepiness in there.

(Its been said in a few places that she's wearing jeans that are meant to increase the size of your ass, and she's kinda walking really goofy the whole time like she's trying to draw attention or bring attention to it. It should also me mentioned that almost every single one of them is a black guy. Im convinced they did this in a ethnic neighborhood because the women in those communities often respond well to being "hollered at")

Funny or Die came out with this to show how relevant male privilege is-

Literally the funniest thing I have ever seen.

Also, its happened multiple times where I'll see a beautiful girl walking alone on campus or back home and want to approach them with a compliment. I've never done it because I never have the courage to follow through but recently I've came very close to doing it...... but now this shit makes me think I'm going to oppress-rape some bitch if I tell her she's gorgeous or something... but then again I'm a good looking young white educated male who will belong to a great salary bracket soon, not some homeless black schizophrenic.. so maybe I won't end up in a youtube video.
 
topic:Phil-X- said:
they did this in a ethnic neighborhood
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This post is being edited because the poster said something super racist. Not okay. Next time you will be banned.

**This post was edited on Oct 30th 2014 at 3:01:48pm
 
the video is interesting and the FoD one was really funny but i dont see how theyre going to end hollering back with donations? kinda seems like a scam you cant change the nature of some people with money...
 
There was a thread about the first one that was deleted, so if you want to keep this one around keep it civil and not stupid / sexist...

Sean and I had a long discussion about that first video and basically came to the point that if you're being respectful you can approach and say hi or innocuously compliment, but if the girl isn't interested, leave her the hell alone. Don't follow her asking why she won't engage with you and don't make overt sexual comments to strangers. Which is really just common sense. Some internet outrage fetishist Jezebel types have taken it well beyond that, which is a shame.

The second video is absolutely hilarious, I saw it this morning and almost cried laughing. The bit at the end about how he was offered numerous small business loans that didn't make it into the video completely sealed it.
 
13196602:momsspaghetti said:
if this chick walked around in a white suburb of seattle or cleveland she would NOT have been heckled like she was....
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It probably would've been worse in Cleveland. They lead the nation in drifters.
 
Can we please stop pretending like racism is completely baseless? If I owned a basketball team, I wouldn't want these people coming to my games either.
 
13196632:J.D. said:
Sean and I had a long discussion about that first video and basically came to the point that if you're being respectful you can approach and say hi or innocuously compliment, but if the girl isn't interested, leave her the hell alone.
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But like half those guys are just like "Hello" "How are you" "Good morning beautiful" "Whats your name?" and it ends. Theres like 3 guys in that video that go to far. They claim HUNDREDS.

Man.. if a chick (any make or model) walked up to me and was like "Wow hottie... how are you doing?" it would literally make my day.
 
13196653:Phil-X- said:
But like half those guys are just like "Hello" "How are you" "Good morning beautiful" "Whats your name?" and it ends. Theres like 3 guys in that video that go to far. They claim HUNDREDS.

Man.. if a chick (any make or model) walked up to me and was like "Wow hottie... how are you doing?" it would literally make my day.
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It happens to me, then I wake up with my dick crusted knto my hand.

such is life as a white priveleged male.
 
Guys following her is really out of line, some of the cat calling very rude. But have a nice night, hello kept walking then he said have a good day? Thats a complement not harassment, and if that's the worst you could throw in there after 10 hours they should have kept filming. I would have liked to see her say no you can't have my number, or stop following me and see what would have happened.

I stop girls on the side walk and on campus all the time and try to get their numbers, sometime it works, some times it doesn't, but I am calm friendly and nice about it. I don't think I have ever said an opener stuck out my hand asked a girl her name. Then had her walk away from me with a scowl completely ignoring me. But hey Inb4 pink names call me sexist and a pig.
 
13196653:Phil-X- said:
But like half those guys are just like "Hello" "How are you" "Good morning beautiful" "Whats your name?" and it ends. Theres like 3 guys in that video that go to far. They claim HUNDREDS.

Man.. if a chick (any make or model) walked up to me and was like "Wow hottie... how are you doing?" it would literally make my day.
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yeah, the best way i've been desecribed is this: imagine having something that everybody wants (coke, IT/computer skills, nice boobs/legs, good food) it's gonna get really fucking annoying quick when lots of people approach you with that one goal in mind: to get something from you. and i imagine that it starts to appear that people only value you because you're a dealer/nice boobs etc...that's gotta feel shitty
 
I understand they are trying to make a point with her not responding to the "harassment" but I was taught silence is acceptance. If women don't react to those things then the men won't know that what they are doing is wrong and they will just keep doing it. Unfortunately some men need that feedback to realize it isn't right and worse, some men don't care and keep doing it.

I think the donations might be to support campaigns to raise awareness about the subject
 
13196715:doyle. said:
I understand they are trying to make a point with her not responding to the "harassment" but I was taught silence is acceptance.
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This is awful. No, it's not. If she doesn't answer you she's not interested in answering you and you're not entitled to anything of the sort.
 
13196653:Phil-X- said:
But like half those guys are just like "Hello" "How are you" "Good morning beautiful" "Whats your name?" and it ends. Theres like 3 guys in that video that go to far. They claim HUNDREDS.

Man.. if a chick (any make or model) walked up to me and was like "Wow hottie... how are you doing?" it would literally make my day.
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I cant wipe the grin off my face for a week when it happens haha
 
13196719:J.D. said:
This is awful. No, it's not. If she doesn't answer you she's not interested in answering you and you're not entitled to anything of the sort.
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He does bring up a valid point though. If every girl called out a guy and verbally told them to stop every time they cat called would they still do it? The guys are obviously not right to doing it in the first place. But at some point you got to stand up for yourself, otherwise people are going to walk all over you. Putting on a bitch face and walking straight ahead isn't going to fix the problem. That being said I don't know what to do to fix it. I don't think a couple verbal interactions from a woman would stop someone from doing it. But I think it's a good place to start.
 
I still can't figure out what she is holding in her hands. Not that it matters at all, more just out of curiosity.

I was also wondering how many people she walked by that didn't say anything or looked at her. The video should've counted that. But lets just do a little math, there are 8.406 millions people living in NYC, about 1.636 million in Manhattan not counting tourists or anything like that. Manhattan is 33.77 square miles so just people living in Manhattan there are about 48,149 people per square mile. Then lets split that into blocks. There are about 15 blocks per mile so about 3,209 people per block in Manhattan.

I know not all of these people are out on the street, most of them aren't. But it just shows how many people she had to have passed that didn't say anything. Because walking speed is about 3.1 mph so 465 blocks in 10 hours. Then let's say there's only 1% of people of the 3,209 people per block outside on the sidewalk. She still would have passed a total of 14,921 people.

Then if we divide our total number of men by the "hundreds" of other cat calls lets say 300. Ill divide the 14,921 by 2 to account for men to women ratio. That leaves us with 4% of men that said something to her.

I know that number if rough, but I still think it gives a pretty good idea of the real number. And to me that's not really an alarming number, but take what you want from it.
 
My one friend gets cat called on the street all the time. She is never offended/annoyed at the people that do them unless they are sexually explicit.
 
13196816:zzzskizzz said:
He does bring up a valid point though. If every girl called out a guy and verbally told them to stop every time they cat called would they still do it?
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I dunno, I think you're right that it might help but it's dangerously close to victim blaming (i.e., "if you don't like it you should say something"). This is the wrong attitude, they shouldn't have to proactively resist this behaviour in the first place, like you said.

Not to mention I can't blame a girl for feeling that confronting someone they don't know could result in them being harmed.
 
It seems to me like the general consensus here is that excluding the people who a) followed her (creepy as fuck), or b) made immediate references to her appearance, most of the comments weren't bad.

Bishop posted a link to an article a long time ago (I wish I could find it) that basically says that males can't understand male privilege. For the most part, men will never walk down the street feeling sexually threatened or uncomfortable. You have to have been in those situations to understand it, and its all about one's subjective reaction to a situational comment that makes that comment okay or not. If these comments, even the seemingly benign ones, had taken place in a dark, empty parking lot, things would have seemed a whole lot different, no? Sure, the video was a bit staged and exaggerated, but I think the message is still true.

Bottom line: if a girl is walking blank-faced, ignoring you, she probably doesn't want to talk to you. Chances are she sized you up before you even saw her. Perhaps it is not unlike how most people hate being interrupted by people coming up to them trying to give them stupid brochures or ask for change?
 
13196642:Kooky_Lukey said:
It probably would've been worse in Cleveland. They lead the nation in drifters.
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Sorry to double post, but I'd like to second this. It's the perfect place if you're a douchebag.
 
13196650:Scaredwhiteboy said:
Can we please stop pretending like racism is completely baseless? If I owned a basketball team, I wouldn't want these people coming to my games either.
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Are we all just gonna ignore this one..
 
If this was shot in Paris the edit would have been 10 hours long, involving physical touching and having to include censoring for all the cocks.

Also she walks like an orangutang, not an insult just an observation.
 
Alright I got a bone to pick with her though. Yes some of those cat calls were inappropriate (the guy following her, "damn") but most of those were fucking compliments. And then she wants donations? Guys, can you imagine if a girl would come up to you and say something along the lines of "good morning" , "hey how are you doing?" What is your reaction going to be? Boo hoo or thank you.
 
13196902:miroz said:
For the most part, men will never walk down the street feeling sexually threatened or uncomfortable. You have to have been in those situations to understand it, and its all about one's subjective reaction to a situational comment that makes that comment okay or not. If these comments, even the seemingly benign ones, had taken place in a dark, empty parking lot, things would have seemed a whole lot different, no?
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You've never felt fear or vulnerable before?

If someone said "looking good" or "have a nice night" in a parking lot at night id be like "you too"

If you're walking around feeling sexually threatened 50% of the time.. well i've got news for you- You're not fully mentally healthy and should see a psychologist. Living in a dense urban area is not the place to live if you're suffering from serious social anxieties or from a fear of men. Thats so ridiculous to say... "women are constantly walking around in fear" do people even hear themselves talking? thats so fucking degrading. The majority of the women I know would not agree with that at all
 
13196901:J.D. said:
I dunno, I think you're right that it might help but it's dangerously close to victim blaming (i.e., "if you don't like it you should say something"). This is the wrong attitude, they shouldn't have to proactively resist this behaviour in the first place, like you said.

Not to mention I can't blame a girl for feeling that confronting someone they don't know could result in them being harmed.
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We don't live in a utopia, people will always commit crimes, and treat people unfairly. People are going to walk all over you if you don't stand up for yourself. Doing nothing will change nothing.
 
13197142:Phil-X- said:
You've never felt fear or vulnerable before?

If someone said "looking good" or "have a nice night" in a parking lot at night id be like "you too"

If you're walking around feeling sexually threatened 50% of the time.. well i've got news for you- You're not fully mentally healthy and should see a psychologist. Living in a dense urban area is not the place to live if you're suffering from serious social anxieties or from a fear of men. Thats so ridiculous to say... "women are constantly walking around in fear" do people even hear themselves talking? thats so fucking degrading. The majority of the women I know would not agree with that at all
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First of all, way to take everything I said out of context. You don't have to be a dick about it, I was just making a point.

It doesn't matter what you or I would say in that situation. That's not the point. What matters is what a woman would say and how she'd feel about it. And what I'm saying is that in this case, you can't tell someone how they feel is wrong, because you're a dude, not a chick. You can't put words in people's mouths. Similarly, as a dude, I can't validate what they're saying either. The only judgement I can make is based on the feedback they give. Show me an outpouring of women opposed to this video and that'll be that.

Quite frankly, your direct opinions on the matter are irrelevant. As are mine, which is why I haven't stated any. All I've said is that women should get to decide how to feel, not be told by you.
 
This organization should explain how giving them money will stop from compliments on the street, and why compliments are bad. Honestly, the guys are just trying to be friendly, they are not saying anything too obscene.
 
Like many have said, I would love to see how donating money is going to stop this problem. What is their plan of action?

Also, This girl probably has no confidence issues and thinks very highly of herself. I mean she walked through a city for 10 hours, got tons of compliments, and then posted it on the internet. Yes some of it was harassment, but I've been harassed by homeless people too. If you treat them like humans and don't ignore the fuck out of them, they usually stop harassing you.

I would like to see an ugly fat woman make a video just like this one, walking through NYC for 10 hours and see those results. This woman should be happy shes pretty and people think shes attractive enough to hit on her. Again, yes some of it was too far, but at least you are attractive enough that this shit happens to you. Some women aren't as fortunate.
 
What annoys me about those videos are the comments from guys who act genuinely surprised to learn that girls don't like being screamed at from a car window while they walk down the street (or whatever). Really? If that's your best method of picking up girls you should just go ahead and relegate yourself to hermit status now. And then those guys go on to defend themselves saying they're "just being nice" and "giving girls compliments." Oh please, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Or I've seen some comments that say we can't possibly know what their true intentions are. Um, I wasn't born yesterday; I DO know what the guys intentions are and they involve putting penises into vaginas.

Catcalls make me uncomfortable 100% of the time. It's not like, "Oh that guy just said what's up baby girl to me, HE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO RAPE ME NOW" but it does give me a slimy feeling. It doesn't ever feel like a compliment or flattery. Ever. And that's why I always end up walking away muttering something along the lines of "Ugh gross can you not" under my breath even if I actually did give you a quick smile back. And that smile, by the way, was just to shut you up so you don't fucking persist. Maybe it would be better in the long run to tell those guys what I'm actually thinking, which is please fuck off, but I don't like having confrontations all the time and I don't want to get into it with a bunch of random guys I don't know who could actually hurt me if it came down to it.

If you want an actual shot with a girl then approach her and talk to her like she's a fellow human being, that's all. You might still get shot down but you'll at least have some kind of chance. I'm happy to talk to just about anyone but if it's hyper-sexualized from the start - which is what catcalls do - then I just want to get away from you as fast as possible. OP, if you wanna go up to a girl on campus like you were talking about doing then I think that's totally fine, it's ALL in your tone and the delivery. If a guy came up to me and said "Excuse me, I don't mean to be weird or anything but I just want to tell you how beautiful I think you are. My name is ____. Hope you have a nice day!" That would make me feel great. That gives a totally different vibe than "Damnnnn girl, whatchu doing later? Come on sweetie, come over here!" The former is a genuine compliment, the latter gross and leering.

As for the race issue, that would be the fault of whoever edited this video. White guys are definitely equally guilty.

Ok enough of my soapbox rant. TLDR: I don't like getting catcalls.
 
13198023:snowdon said:
What annoys me about those videos are the comments from guys who act genuinely surprised to learn that girls don't like being screamed at from a car window while they walk down the street (or whatever). Really? If that's your best method of picking up girls you should just go ahead and relegate yourself to hermit status now. And then those guys go on to defend themselves saying they're "just being nice" and "giving girls compliments." Oh please, get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Or I've seen some comments that say we can't possibly know what their true intentions are. Um, I wasn't born yesterday; I DO know what the guys intentions are and they involve putting penises into vaginas.

Catcalls make me uncomfortable 100% of the time. It's not like, "Oh that guy just said what's up baby girl to me, HE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO RAPE ME NOW" but it does give me a slimy feeling. It doesn't ever feel like a compliment or flattery. Ever. And that's why I always end up walking away muttering something along the lines of "Ugh gross can you not" under my breath even if I actually did give you a quick smile back. And that smile, by the way, was just to shut you up so you don't fucking persist. Maybe it would be better in the long run to tell those guys what I'm actually thinking, which is please fuck off, but I don't like having confrontations all the time and I don't want to get into it with a bunch of random guys I don't know who could actually hurt me if it came down to it.

If you want an actual shot with a girl then approach her and talk to her like she's a fellow human being, that's all. You might still get shot down but you'll at least have some kind of chance. I'm happy to talk to just about anyone but if it's hyper-sexualized from the start - which is what catcalls do - then I just want to get away from you as fast as possible. OP, if you wanna go up to a girl on campus like you were talking about doing then I think that's totally fine, it's ALL in your tone and the delivery. If a guy came up to me and said "Excuse me, I don't mean to be weird or anything but I just want to tell you how beautiful I think you are. My name is ____. Hope you have a nice day!" That would make me feel great. That gives a totally different vibe than "Damnnnn girl, whatchu doing later? Come on sweetie, come over here!" The former is a genuine compliment, the latter gross and leering.

As for the race issue, that would be the fault of whoever edited this video. White guys are definitely equally guilty.

Ok enough of my soapbox rant. TLDR: I don't like getting catcalls.
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Gonna quote it all because it's all relevant.

In my honest opinion, if you read this - this post from a girl who has experienced just about everything being discussed (& defended by most) in this thread - and come out the other side still baffled, saying something like "I don't understand why you don't like getting compliments," then you need to check your shit. This is one of the most reasoned responses to this subject that I've ever read.

And I go to school at a place where gender/sexual politics are (pun intended) rammed down my fucking throat on a daily goddamn basis. I'm jaded to it all; I get rattled by screechy pundits who put all the onus on men, and I get rattled by guys who seem entirely unable to grasp the consequences of addressing women sexually in public. But sweet jesus, if you don't read this and go Huh, fair enough, I'm glad to hear your sensible explanation for why this shit isn't okay, then I don't get where you come from.
 
All of it except for the part about "Um, I wasn't born yesterday; I DO know what the guys intentions are and they involve putting penises into vaginas."

That probably needs clarification because it's also pretty sexist.If I compliment your jacket it's because I like your jacket. It is not because I want to fuck you. I don't know what type of person manages to operate in society assuming that every guy who approaches her wants to sleep with her.

Honestly even some of the shitty cat-calling things jerks say to random girls aren't necessarily about sex - they may be about self esteem, power, other psychological shortcomings. But that's a whole separate issue.
 
True, true, that's fair JD. I was definitely willing to give that the benefit of the doubt, but you're right that it's unfair to assume that each catcall automatically indicates "I want to fuck you". That doesn't change my opinion that you shouldn't catcall even if you really only want to tell that attractive chick walking by she looks hot, but you're right that I can't assume somebody's intentions every time.
 
13198023:snowdon said:
Um, I wasn't born yesterday; I DO know what the guys intentions are and they involve putting penises into vaginas.
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haha wow.... are you listening to yourself? Do you really not see any issue when you say something this absurd?

For the last year every girl that i've approached in a bar or in class or w.e. I've had no intention of talking to them to fuck them that night. Been trying to find myself a down to earth girl to potentially work towards a relationship with for god knows how long. Fuck you and your sexist shit. This is the reason many guys don't have "confidence" which girls value higher then gold.

>If you want an actual shot with a girl then approach her and talk to her like she's a fellow human being, that's all.

You mean like.. walking up to a girl and saying "hi, have nice day" or "Hey Hows it going?"?

because thats what 80% of the guys in this video did..
 
Just the other day I was catcalled "White Vanilla" by ladies driving by in a car. I was under the impression that vanilla always corresponds to white so I don't know what they were trying to imply, but.

My point is though girls do it too even though it's not nearly as much as guys do it. But it's never bothered me or I'm sure any other guy that has had it happen to them.

I just think that the video was just trying to slam against guys.
 
13198139:Phil-X- said:
>If you want an actual shot with a girl then approach her and talk to her like she's a fellow human being, that's all.

You mean like.. walking up to a girl and saying "hi, have nice day" or "Hey Hows it going?"?

because thats what 80% of the guys in this video did..
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Right, but dude, these guys aren't in class or at a bar, they're on a street corner calling out at a hot chick as she walks by. Imo, that's what's really at stake here, is the fact that it isn't cool to approach someone in a sexual way (even if that sexuality isn't immediate, I'm not trying to say they want to fuck on the spot) in public. I think everyone should be entitled (uh oh, BUZZWORD!) to a certain amount of privacy that includes not being asked what's good by a bunch of dudes on the street.
 
13198139:Phil-X- said:
You mean like.. walking up to a girl and saying "hi, have nice day" or "Hey Hows it going?"?

because thats what 80% of the guys in this video did..
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No it isn't. It's what maybe like three of them did?
 
13198154:Turner. said:
Right, but dude, these guys aren't in class or at a bar, they're on a street corner calling out at a hot chick as she walks by. Imo, that's what's really at stake here, is the fact that it isn't cool to approach someone in a sexual way (even if that sexuality isn't immediate, I'm not trying to say they want to fuck on the spot) in public. I think everyone should be entitled (uh oh, BUZZWORD!) to a certain amount of privacy that includes not being asked what's good by a bunch of dudes on the street.
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So everyone is entitled to privacy, in public. Interesting
 
for some reason i just find it funny dudes are still using cat calls. christ, you're not some fat fuck italiano NYC construction worker in the 50's. call me a white knight pussy but im gonna cringe when people use them, and laugh at their misery when they get shot down.
 
13198162:TRVP_LVRD said:
So everyone is entitled to privacy, in public. Interesting
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I knew that would pique someone's interest. I see what you're saying... how can you expect privacy when you're in public?! Right. okay, fine. You got me on semantics.

As far as I see it, your personal relationships are private, what you're doing later is private, and your sexuality is private from strangers on the street.
 
13198154:Turner. said:
Right, but dude, these guys aren't in class or at a bar, they're on a street corner calling out at a hot chick as she walks by.
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She isn't hot.

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13197067:Dr.Laurent said:
If this was shot in Paris the edit would have been 10 hours long, involving physical touching and having to include censoring for all the cocks.

Also she walks like an orangutang, not an insult just an observation.
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Lol NYC (incidentally I'm on a plane right now flying there...) is incredibly tame in "street harassment" compared to some other places. I had to physically get vendors off me in Turkey, and that's as a male haha.
 
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